Did Floyd look too good in terms of PBF-Pac?

Not a single one of those guys hits anywhere near as hard as Manny does. Absolutely nowhere near. Judah was quick and powerful, but was at least one level below Manny in terms of speed and power.

Moreover, Floyd's potshotting, defensive style lends itself to a logical conclusion that Floyd certainly doesn't like being hit. And it has been a long, long time since someone with plenty of pop has hit Floyd, because he is so damn good at getting out of the way.

Don't misunderstand me here- I'm not trying to say that Floyd is chinny or anything like that. But the key to a fight between him and Pac IMHO would be his ability to withstand the sort of punishment that Hatton and Oscar could not, because if he does, he wins a comfortable decision. If not, then the fight becomes very interesting, because there is no doubt in my mind that Manny is quick enough to do what guys like Hatton and JMM could not.

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Not anywhere near as hard as Pacquiao?

 

U DON'T Think Chico Corrales Hit AS HARD as Manny Pac???...U Think Corrales, Castillo AND Zab ALL Hit "Nowhere Near" as HARD as Pac????...U're OVERrating Pac Now, Mr. FEEBLES...KO'ing Hatton, who TELEGRAPHED his Shots & REPEATEDLY Left Himself Open in AMATUERISH Fashion, DOESN'T Mean Guys like Corrales, Castillo & Zab AREN'T in the Same Zip Code in Terms of Punching Power...

As HARD as Manny Hits, it's Waaaaaaaaay OFFBASE to Say those Guys R "Absolutely NOWHERE Near"...We'll have to Agree to DISagree on that...

& U Have yet to Make ANY Exception for the JABS, LEAD Left Hooks & LEAD Right Hands that Pac's Gonna have to Withstand to GET to Floyd...U're Making it Seem as if Floyd's Gonna SHEEPISHLY Sit Back as Manny Stalks him, Traps him & DEVOURS him...

Manny's Gonna have to WORK For it & Absorb CONSIDERABLY MORE Punishment than Hatton or Dela Administered...

REED:mj:

 

Yep. Even if there isn't a lot of punishment coming back he'll still have to work very very hard for it. Mayweather can even avoid trying to make fighters pay for mistakes and still remain elusive.

 

I'm not simply basing it on Hatton, though it is worth noting again just how fucking badly Pac smoked Hatton. He was literally out before he hit the floor. This is a guy who, though declining, walked through Kostya Tszyu and took some very good, flush shots from Floyd prior to his being KO-ed.

Anyway, the Hatton fight aside, Pac has been a noted power puncher since he sparked Ledwaba. In fact, along with his speed, it has always been his power which sets him apart. For years he has been perceived as a fairly crude demolition ball of a fighter, so this isn't exactly something new here. It's what Manny has...

I respectfully disagree. Chico was a superb puncher, but Manny hits much harder.

No doubt about this. At no point did I say that Pac hits Floyd often or easily, because he doesn't. He'll have to find Floyd and that will be very difficult and he'll have to walk through plenty. That would be why I would favour Floyd if they fought, but as I said earlier, Manny would be a live dog.

I honestly think that the Cotto fight will tell us a lot more about how a Mayweather-Pac fight would go. I'm still not entirely sold on Pac at the weight because his only fight was a weight drained and shot Oscar. I actually favour Cotto to beat him at this point. Until then, I'm reserving judgement... ::

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Though REED Doesn't Necessarily Rate him as THE Best Pure Puncher EVER, REED has a VERY Hard Time Saying ANYBODY (Past or Present) is a "Much HARDER" Puncher than Chico Corrales was...SLIGHTLY Harder, SOMEWHAT Harder, Perhaps...But MUCH Harder???:dunno:...

We're Talking about an Even Handed Banger that SPARKED Guys w/6 Inch Punches...

REED:mj:

 

How do you come to this conclusion? Chico battered Castillo's and Casamayor's chins, which at the time were considered granite. It took him long before dropping morales, he couldn't keep Marquez on the floor. I've stated my case, now state yours.

 

I think for more than any other reason, i am looking forward to the Cotto fight to find out really, how hard Pacquaio punches at this weight....and how well he can take a proper shot. The fights with DLH and Hatton have provided inconclusive evidence for the first point, and given us nothing for the second.

 

- Beat the shit out of Ledawba and stopped him
- Beat the shit out of Barerra and stopped him
- Stops Morales then beats the shit out him (admittedly diminished)
- Bounces Juan Manuel Marquez around like a tennis ball. Drops him four (or five, depending on your interpretation of JMM hugging the ropes in round 2 of Re). JMM then eats hard shot after hard shot in one-sided beatdown vs Floyd but only dropped once
- Moves up to 135 and almost beats Diaz to death
- Makes Oscar quit on his stool after a complete pummling
- Knocks Hatton (who ate Kostya Tszyu's best shots for eleven rounds) unconscious before he has even hit the floor after having bounced him around like a tennis ball for five minutes

Manny hits like an absolute motherfucker. Simple

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Cotto is being really understimated here, I don't think the Pac express makes it to Floyd

 

The closer that fight gets, the more I favour Cotto. However, if Pac loses to Cotto, then there is a far greater chance of Floyd-Pac being made IMHO.

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No! Manny is the man of late w/ everyone and their mom drinking the Kool-aid. The whole Pacific and West Coast on his coat tail. I for one don't think he gets past Cotto. This sets up Cotto/Mosley II because Top Rank hates Floyd; and in the end we get Mosley/FMJ any way in a round about journey.:doh:

 

ridiculous

manny is far from a devastating puncher, he has incredible speed and workrate, but he simply isn't a 1 punch ko artist (except for the hatton fight). he batters his opponent, and manage to stop them, but not after landing a million shots against them

 

Huh? Chico fought Casamayor 3 times and never stopped him...

 

Disagree that Pacquioa has great power. I would even go as far as saying I think he has less power than Zab Judah and definitely less than Chico did. By the way who the fuck is Ledwaba? Is he supposed to be some iron chinned Latino?

Manny has sharp accurate punches, but if you look at nearly all his KD's of Morales, JMM and MAB none of them looked shaken, or on wobbly legs or anything. It was mostly the speed of the shots catching them unprepared that led to them going down. Both MAB and ODLH retired on their stools due to an accumulation of shots that was probably more due to the embarrasing 1 sided nature of their bouts than the actual damage they were taking. Hatton's case is the only one that shows a hint of power but even that I attribute more to Hatton being out there with his chin all up in the air and not seeing the punch at all. It was the equivalent of sitting there and giving Manny a free shot at him.

I'm also in agreement with 3OG and Salaco that Manny won't even make it to the PBF express. Cotto knows how to deal with speed and maybe he'll even pull a PBF and not make his contracted weight either. Hell just pay your fine and take your win I say. That's what the fucker gets for trying to make a catch weight in the first place.

 

To answer the thread's question :

To be impressed, I have to see something unexpected. I didn't see anything unexpected saturday night. I don't think that fight changed anything in Pacquiao's mind regarding their fight. Same old Floyd battering a great fighter completely out of his element. Floyd had all advantages and he did what he had to do.

 

Agreed I wasn't impressed and thought Floyd looked good in his little tune up. If anything I came away thinking Floyd is indeed beatable if he'll just fight somebody on an even scale who's a top fighter.

 

Ditto.

 

Pacman consistently hurts/floors people/changes fights with single shots, and so did Chico.

Both excellent punchers.

What's freakish about Pacman is that he can still crack at 140 pounds, someone who spent half his career at flyweight.

Seriously though, the more I read about Pacman and his training camp etc for this fight, the more I feel he could lose to Cotto.

No idea why, but he seems to be taking Cotto LESS seriously than Oscar and Hatton, and he should be taking him more seriously than both of them.

Cotto might have lost a step after Plasterito, but he's still a very solid fighter, and presents more of a threat than Oscar and Hatton.

I'll wait and see how the reports from Pacman's camp unfold etc.

I'm now tentatively picking Pacquiao, when this fight was first announced I was very confident.

If Cotto manages to beat Pacman, one thing I AM sure of though, is Floyd - Cotto would look very similar to Floyd - Marquez.

Cotto is too slow and patient for Floyd, he would get beaten with ease.

That would only leave Mosley with a good chance of beating Floyd at 147.

 

Mayweather fights would be a lot more interesting, if great fighters like him weren´t constantly allowed to enhance their natural gifts with illegal tactics. Mayweather fights in such a perfected sideway stance, that basically limits his opponents to be one-handed, and smaller fighters are hopelessly overmatched. And I think the opponent should be allowed to batter his back as long as they want, if he offers nothing else. And if he wants to do this (without getting warned)



then Marquez should be allowed to hit him in the back.

It´s the same way Calzaghe enhances his handspeed advantage by slapping with his palms.

All in all refs are tools and they don´t enforce any of the rule sof boxing, whether it´s in regards to holding, ducking or turning your back. All they do is count and warn for low-blows.

 

I think the reason Cotto isn't taking him seriously is because he needed to take a break. It's asking a lot of anyone to keep getting up for all these superfights. 3 superfights in a row like this is a recipe for disaster but I don't think Pac could beat Cotto no matter how good he prep'd. At any rate Pac'll probably be only about as good as he was when he lost to Morales while Cotto will be extremely sharp.

I think this hitting in the back thing is very overrated. I remember watching the fight and don't recall any real points where Floyd offered his back to JMM. I know he's done it in other fights but even then it's probably not to the degree where people can claim he's cheating. If he's swaying back and forth they can still hit him in the body. Did anyone say they couldn't or threaten to deduct a point? No. They'll either hit him at the right time and catch him in the rib or stomach or they'll miss and hit him in the back. Either way that would be more Floyd's fault then theirs and I don't think the reason they aren't doing it is because they're trying so hard not to break the rules. I think the reason they don't do it is because the movement is befuddling to them.

So everytime I hear this "he's offering his back to them" as a sign of cheating I'm just going to take it as Floyd haters going overboard which is what Kauki does when he says it, because even though Kauki's my boy I'm sure nobody on this board hates Floyd more than he does.

 

Lemme ask as question. There are many internet boxing scholars that know so much about boxing. Perhaps they think they know more then the actual trainers, referees, and boxers themselves. My question how come no boxer, trainers or referees have not spoken about his so called illegal defense that PBF uses? Why is that never brought up in the pre-fight instructions. Can any of you guys that know so much about the boxing rules provide verification of where a trainer or fighter says what PBF does is illegal. Now I may not be as smart or knowledgeable when it comes to the fight game but I have not heard or seen any complaints from PBF's opponents. I'll Holla 5000

 

I'm serious. PBF against Marquez looked a lot slower than Pacman does.
I'm not sure why that is hard to recognise.

 

Good point. Its always internet geeks who talk about this.

 

No even close mate. I think youre in a very very small minority who thinks that.

 

can you please insert another disturbing sig?

 

That Gary Busey one was getting to me too. Its gone.

 

:: the owls' pic is classic, the gary busey one was too much.

 

Exactly,.. fucking exactly,... I've been saying that for years and it's an irrefuteable point,... Groupies will spin a weak case like pointing out 'fighters of the past' who broke the rules .... like Marciano elbowing people in the head,... it was actually disgraceful,.. but no....in boxing it's glorified,.. 'cunning, brilliant stuff'...adds to the 'tales of the legend'... it's unique in this sport, rules are ignored, made deliberately vague, it comes 'wit da business',... but really it's as flagrant as slapping a soccer ball around with your hand the whole game. What also helps Fraud get away with turning his back is because everyone is focused on the punches,.. on the action,.. on the aggression,... .. except ofcourse when rewatching Castillo - Fraud 1 that is..

 

If it's such an illegal tactic how come you never hear anyone complain about that particular style. I mean you hear about how a certain fighter uses his head and you and your trainer tell the ref before the fight to watch out for that tactic. You hear fighters complain about certain fighters that like to grab hold and wrestle. So what does that fighter and his trainer do. They tell the referee to watch out for that tactic. Then you have fighters that say when a certain fighter is dirty they like to punch below the belt. But never and I mean never have I heard a fighter or a trainer complain about PBF's defense. So could you please provide some type of supporting evidence that his defense is illegal. You must know more then all the fighters and trainers that PBF has fought. I'll Holla 5000