Does anyone give Ibragimov a shot?

No some are actually shit and they still knocked him out. :tease:

Ibragimov seems a bit weak at heart. He will probably DeCline.

 

They would went through him like Ross, Lamon and Corrie went through him.

 

The only one who really went through Wlad was Sanders. He absoultely blew him out and made him look ridiculous. The other two fights Wlad was winning and gasses. Sanders beat Wlad down.

 

Good points.

I re-watched the Norton - Foreman fight last night and he (Foreman) looked ENORMOUS. Was he really only 220lbs? :eeeek:

 

Yup. Wlad is good, no doubt, but he looks much the better because his contempories at the minute are so utterly woeful.

Prime Lewis would have demolished Wlad. And I am NO Tyson groupie, but he exactly the sort of fighter who would have BUTCHERED him in absolutely no time at all...

 

Dude,
No offense, but that is dangerously close to a Sly reponse. ::

 

Come on...anyone with size and a right hand and a fighting mentality could cause Lewis grief. Look how he struggled with Vitali. Now, Vitali has the better chin of him and Wlad, but for the first 2 rounds, it was all Vitali. If that had been Wlad.....day-day Lenny.

 

Lewis was never overly aggressive and he would not have blown Wlad out by a long shot. It would have been a hard fight for Lewis. Sure he may have eventually caught him with a big right hand but it wouldn't have been early and it would have been very competitive while it lasted.

 

Any HW worth salt CAN give any other HW 'grief' on any given day- that's the beauty of the division. But there is a big difference between giving Lewis 'grief' and beating him. The only two guys to give him 'grief' were dealt with in no uncertain terms.

Moreover, by the time Lewis fought Vitali, he was long, long past giving a damn about boxing, and he STILL ended up fucking Klit's face (insert double-entendre of choice here) so bad that he looked like he'd been fighting Edward friggin' Scissorhands...

Lewis would have KILLED Wlad. There is not even a debate to be had about this :nono:

 

Lewis was only cautious when he had fear and/or respect for his opponent. There is a possibility that Lewis, seeing how Sanders blew Wlad away, would have went for the kill and simply KO'd Wlad in short order.

More likely, though, is that Lennox would have simply jabbed Wlad's head off for 36 straight minutes.

Besides, at no point did I say that the fight would be QUICK (apart from this post, when I said that it MIGHT be)- I said it would be a one sided destruction. There is no need for such a thing to be 'quick', and in any event, I have seen nothing in Wlad which would make me think otherwise.

What do you see that I don't here Z? Genuine question, btw :dunno:

MTF

 

That is more than an offence, that is an insult :nono: ::

What I am saying is that you should remember the fighters as they were not based on their KO reels. Seeing how Tyson fought against Tucker and Douglas I could see Wlad giving him hell. Same with Foreman: seeing how easily he got hit with right hands, I do think he won't walk right through Wlad's cross either. Also Lewis, even though he was better than Wlad would need to be extra-careful with him

 

I'm not saying Wlad would win but here is how I see it. Lewis didn't have a great chin himself. Wlad is a pretty good puncher. Both guys tend to start slow and feel the other guy out for a few rounds. I think Wlad definitely has the power to get Lewis' respect and make him fight cautiously. I think it would be a more boring fight than Vitali had with Lewis for sure since Wlad doesn't have the whiskers his brother has. I think it would turn out to be close and most likely go the distance.

I would favor Lewis though.

 

I knew you had more behind your comment than Sly usually does, but the but the way you phrased it reminded me of every time someone picks Hearns to win a MM and Sly's standard response is "Just like Hearns did with Barkley..." ::

 

:doh: now that I re-read it you are actually correct

But still retain my take: it is unfair to compare the best performances of fighters to the worst pformances of the other guy. That makes for Dynamitish picks so to say ::

 

I always tend to take issue with the 'Lewis had a weak chin' thing. What is this based on? On the two occasions he was KO'd, he was caught absolutely FLUSH. And if you are caught flush by a HW, no matter how good your chin is, you will hit the canvas IMO.

I think you could be on the money with the 'boring fight' comment, though, especially if Lewis thought Wlad had enough about him to be a risk. Whenever Lennox fought someone like that, he simply jabbed his way to a comprehensive decision. I don't see that Wlad has enough about him to do anything about it if Lennox chose to fight this way. If Wlad tried to open up to force matters, Lewis would simply throw the right and KO him.

I'm not trying to make out that Wladamir is some kind of mook- far from it, I accept that he is the best HW at the minute by a long way- I just think that it would take a much better HW than Wladamir to 'give Lewis hell', as Ugo claimed.

 

Thats a fair assessment, but, by that same token, if you take the Vitali fight and drop Wlad in his place, on the basis of that night, I can't see Lenny get out of the first. If Wlad had cracked him like Vitali did....it was over.

 

Again though OC- we are talking about a PRIME Lewis- not the Lewis who lost interest completely in the fight game after he'd finally fought and beaten the one guy he wanted to fight more than the rest combined (Tyson).

A prime Lennox doesn't let Wlad anywhere near him. Wlad likely spend the whole fight eating Lewis' Left glove.

 

Wlad only took this fight because it was winable. If Ibrag had any punch, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I even think Wlad's elimination tourney is a joke. Too many dangerous fighters and punchers ignored. Too many ranked fighters left out. Wlad is too careful and not a true champion in my book.

 

Who are these dangerous guys and punchers Wlad is avoiding?

 

Word.

 

Like who?

Peters?

 

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::That's why Vlad has fought and pretty much eliminated everyone in the top 10 these past few years!!

 

Ibragimov has NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER:nono: ...

This is the SAME Guy that STRUGGLED w/Ray Austin & DIDN'T Look All that Great Against Grandpa Holyfield Either...

Wlad STOPS Ibragimov N LESS than 6 Full Rounds...He May Not Even Need to Shower Afterwards...


REED

 

As a WHOLE, this Era of Heavy's is VERY UNimpressive, but Wlad Klit is Head & Shoulders THE BEST Out there...

He's a SIZABLE Favorite Over ANY Heavyweight & it's NOT his Fault that this Era is Subpar...


REED

 

There was a period in the 1980's that was as bad, if not worse, than this.

There was also periods in the twenties, thirties, fourties, fifties, late seventies that were pretty poor.

 

a lot of those guys in the 80s could actually box.

 

But NONE of that Changes THE FACT that we're CURRENTLY Experiencing THE WORST Heavyweight Era EVER...

Only HARDCORE Boxing Fans Pay Attention to the Heavy's these Days...How Much MORE Evidence do U Need???:dunno: ...

Heavy's R THE EASIEST SELL N Boxing, but Not THIS Era...


REED

 

how can you say he's head and shoulders above Peter, who knocked him down three times, and who's not been knocked out twice himself, once by a golfer no less?

Also, Maskaev has short accurate punches and is good in the pocket - I wouldn't rule out his ability to ice Wlad either.

Wlad is head and shoulders the most over-rated heavyweight, for sure. Surprise surprise. He's an HBO fighter.

 

Yep...

Greg Page, Tony Tubbs, Tyrell Biggs, Pinklon Thomas, Tim Witherspoon, Carl Williams...ALL those Guys had GENUINE BOXING TALENT...Gerrie Coetzee was as HARD as Puncher as we've EVER Seen...Michael Dokes was 1 of THE Most Naturally TALENTED Heavy's EVER...

ANY of those Guys (N their PRIME) would B Belt Holders Today & Quite Possibly THE Champ...

Shit, Even Gerry Cooney would B BETTER N THIS Era than he Was N the 80's...He had the SIZE & PUNCH To Compete N Today's Era, No Doubt...

N the 80's, the Names REED Noted Carried the Same Status that Guys like Peter, McCline, Ruiz or Byrd have N Today's Crop...

Bottom Line, "Average" Heavyweight fighters from the 80's were BETTER than "Average" Heavyweight Fighters of Today...


REED

 

U Must've MISSED Peter-McCline:: ...

MORESO, Wlad CLEARLY WON the Fight w/Peter, DESPITE the Knockdowns...REED Predicted an EASY KO Win for Peter, so if there was ANY Controversy N the Verdict, REED would have Spoken on it...

But there WAS NONE & REED was EXTREMELY WRONG Cause Wlad CLEARLY BEAT Peter...Wlad was @ his LOWEST N Terms of Confidence & Peter was Arguably @ his HIGHEST...Wlad Beats Peter Even EASIER Today...No Doubt, the McCline Fight is Fucking w/Peter's Head....

& Maskaev is Toooooooo HITTABLE to Beat Wlad...He DOESN'T have that Lamon Brewster Type of Chin to WITHSTAND Several Rounds of Punishment, Waiting for Wlad to Tire:nono: ...

U DON'T have to LIKE it, but Wlad is THE BEST Heavy on the Planet...It's OBVIOUS...

REED