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Friend, a fighter in Margarito's position, tagged "the most underrated and ducked fighter in boxing" should have fucking JUMPED at the chance to take LESS money to fight Cotto. He was actually offered more, and chose williams instead.

It's either that he didn't fancy his chances, or just plain stupidity. Either way, you can't reject a career high purse to fight the likes of Cotto, and continue to be classed as an avoided fighter.

 

The numbers weren't that far apar ($1.8 to $1.5 million) and it was agreed to between the parties that if Margarito won, he'd still fight Cotto in the fall.

Somehow, that's considered ducking.

 

Like I said, either he didn't fancy his chances or it was plain stupidity, and not "ducking".

Either way, for his whole career, he's needed a defining fight, to fight someone like Cotto - a "man of the moment" or an older, established superstar.

The fact that he passed it up is insane, and inexcusable. And really just makes a mockery of the notion that for his whole career he couldn't get a big fight and nobody wanted to fight him.

The one chance he gets to prove his worth on the big stage, he passes up. I mean wtf.

 

If he didn't like his chances, he wouldn't have had a deal in place to fight Cotto in the fall.

How is this not registering?

 

A deal? Well a contract wasn't signed was it, so at this point it was nothing more than talks of a Cotto fight in the fall.

Did he sign a contract to fight Cotto or not?

 

people need to grow the fuck up. margarito was recently beaten by williams who got gubbed himself. come on for fuck sakes

 

After the lawsuits were resolved, Arum said that if Margarito beat Williams it would be Cotto-Margarito in the fall...and Margarito extended his Top Rank contract.

Hardly the actions of a fighter trying to avoid Cotto, since Arum had wanted to make Cotto-Margarito in the first place and that he was obviously still intent (and still is) on making the fight.

It was the easiest fight for either fighter that Arum could make.

This was well understood at the time Wiliams-Margarito was finalized.

BTW, I think the guarantee from Goossen to Margarito was actually $395,000, so added to the $1.502 million, Margarito got about $1.6 million.

 

Yup...$1.5MM that Wright turned down earlier.

 

Mitchell, with due respect, I couldn't care less about the exact figures.

The net result is he still got less than he would have against Cotto, but you know what? I don't even care about that, that's not my angle at all.

I think he should have accepted a fight with Cotto for 100,000. I'm not even joking.

Cotto might not have been quite as proven at 147 as he is now, but he was still a star and a name. It's the kind of fight that he just someway, somehow eluded margarito for his whole career.

And it's the kind of fight that Marge has NEEDED for his whole career, the kind of fight that any world class fighter needs really. A marquee fight against an elite, undefeated fighter.

So if Marge beat Williams, it was planned he'd fight Cotto. Plans get broken all the time friend, Marge could have lost, Cotto could have lost, a number of other factors could have played a part in breaking those plans. As it turns out, those plans did get broken.

He's whined for years about how nobody wants to fight him, and everyone is ducking him, he had the opportunity to setup a cotto bout in stone, and he turned it down to fight williams.

That's really all you need to know about margarito. He should have POUNCED on that fight, and furiously signed the contract as soon as it was within his vicinity.

 

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1. I think both have happened.

2. Great point and agreed! :clap: :clap:

 

But some of the fighters you've named earlier didn't pounce at the opportunity, which looks much greater now given the way things played out...with Cotto beating Judah (with a record-breaking attendance at MSG) and Mosley, Margarito losing to Williams, and Williams subsequently losing to Quintana.

Some fighters turned down fights in similar situations with much worse "B" options than fighting Williams for $1.6 million.

Plus, they shared the same promoter and he had the understanding the fight wasn't off the table...in fact, quite the opposite.

Furthermore, there were already stories cropping up of Margarito being a hypocrite if he went ahead and vacated the title to avoid fighting Williams...someone who was beginning to at least create a similar kind of reputation of finding it difficult to make big fights as the one Margarito and in cases more particularly, Arum had cultivated.

 

Completely agreed with this post and the last part....as long as it is not hyperbolized and exaggerated to seem like Margarito has "ducked" everyone.

Neither extreme is true.

Peace.

 

Understood...but you're also not answering the points that directly address your issues at least to some extent.

It's all good. Nice debate.

Peace.

 

Antonio "Tony" Margarito, the undisputed king of the 20 pager, not bad for some one so "irrelevant"..

 

Take away Floyd Mayweathers name from this thread and it is 2 pages long ::

 

Mayweather and Judah were originally in negotiations to fight in November 2005, after Mayweather beat Gatti in June 2005. But Top Rank ended up winning the purse bid for Rahman-V. Klitschko and that was supposed to be on HBO PPV in November 2005, but Brittley pulled out for the 955th straight time. King and Arum decided to push back the negotiations for Mayweather-Judah.

Judah ended up losing to Baldomir in January 2006. Mayweather turned down the Baldomir fight during negotiations right after that, because he wanted more money, and ended up fighting Judah instead.

Even though Baldomir beat Judah, I'm not sure too many people at the time would've rather seen Floyd fight Baldomir rather than Judah. A lot of people figured that it was a fluke and Judah took Baldomir lightly.

 

Well yes :dunno: ?, precisely the reason why he's the king of the 20 pager, it is primarily because of the sheer macabre Margarito caused you groupies in mid 2006, it has generated the emotional energy equivalent to another loss on Fraud's record, aside Castillo 1, this shockwave that has lasted for about 2 years now, is undeniabley phenomenal. :: and it is destructfully paramount, to the quasi-notion that Fraud's groupies are completely "uneffected by the irrelevance and unworthyness of this anonymous welterweight scrub"...