Does Floyd vs Cotto change how you feel

You are claiming mayweather jr may make 60 million dollars on ppv from the cotto fight and he could equal that from a fight with pacquiao. Essentially you're claiming the ppv could generate 240 million dollars. 60 for each and half off the top to hbo the distrubtor. That would mean 3mill buys at 80$ a piece. Don't see that happening.

 

It's probably moot.
If history is anything to go by, whatever Manny agrees to, PBF will just move the goal-posts again.

 

Those were the figures REPORTED. I don't know what cut HBO or the promoters make.

HD for Cotto was $70. 3 years ago they could have charged $99 and it would STILL have made close to 3 million buys. Not even counting the rest of the world but then the SOAP OPERA began...

 

i realize you dont know. that is why i explained it to you.

 

What % goes to HBO and what % goes to promotion? Not the same for every fight?

 

1.5 million buys @ avg price of $65 equal $97.5 million. Cotto sees ZERO of that amount and that's what Floyd wants Pacquaio to get from ppv.

If HBO sees half, that leaves approx $49 million.

 

Pacquaio in today's front page of the Wall St journal.

 

Wow. What Ellerbee got to say bout dat?

 

Cool

 

Floyd has been saying for a WHILE now that he wants the fight but Pac demands more money.. wants to be able to take drugs... has to delay cuz of building a new stadium... it's gotten to where it is just absurd. Pac is a scared little hoe

 

You filter your reality beautifully LOK ::

 

Hut baby.. funny thing is this is essentially what the pac huggers say in reverse..

to say Floyd is "scared" is so ridiculous

 

It's Floyd keeps throwing up obstacles & moving goal posts. I don't know that he's 'scared' but he doesn't want the fight, for whatever reason

 

at "moving goal posts"

truth is.. no one here knows what is going on behind the scenes..

IMO there is some truth to Arum blocking the fight.. DLH has told Arum that pac will lose and Arum doesn't want him to lose

 

I really hope the fight happens next :Thumbs:

 

Pac and his camp agreed to the testing, thats when Floyd resulted in changing the issue to the pay scale. You have it backwards man.

 

What a cuntish thing to say.

 

He's posting stupid shit, I can only assume it's due to his brain not properly functioning. Better that than assume he's just stupid right?

 

It is cut and dry at out of their 5 common opponents, Floyd has outsold Pac vs. three of them, Pac has outsold vs. one of them, and the 4th is not decided yet. I do think you can throw out DLH (he was more marketable at that time) and JMM 3 (third fight in an epic series of fights, etc) and if you focus on Hatton, Mosley and Cotto (when numbers are available) I think the proof is in the #'s that Floyd is a bigger draw. Not by much.... by a 55/45 PPV revenue margin.

 

Very good point,.

 

Out of those 90- million Pacquiao fans.... how many can buy a boxing PPV? twenty?

 

Pretty fucked up.

 

I've already posted why I think that simplistic approach is misleading (aka the different arcs of their breakthrough into the mainstream). If you take the sum of their last 3 PPvs before saturday's - 2 of the 3 against common opponents - Pac is up by 200k sales.

 

Yeah, that was my point

 

I think using the Mosley, Hatton and (eventually) Cotto numbers are the best representations. Altho I did NOT factor in the Canelo undercard, which will throw this outta whack.

I don't think Ortiz is fair to matchup against opponents like JMM (in a third match with Pac) or Margarito (with the loaded glove controversy).

Hatton, Mosley and Cotto will be the 3 common opponents who also are closest in career trajectory and marketability. We would have to think of a way to remove the Canelo-factor from the PPV sales. I still say it's about 55/45-ish in Floyd's favour.

 

Since when did you become an angel? Like you are never a dick.

 

No doubt. But certain lines even I wouldn't cross.

 

For all I know the stroke was made up anyway.

 

You seem to be completely ignoring Hut's point that their breakthrough into the mainstream was at different times, Floyd's being first, which makes most of their opponent comparisons unfair.

And you're comparing fights from a few years ago, where Floyd had a headstart in meanstream popularity/recognition, yet you think it's unfair to compare Marquez 3 to Floyd's Marquez fight, even though it was actually a "comeback" fight for Floyd ::

Every heard the expression "You're only as good as you're last fight?". In 2011, both of Pacquiao's fights sold more than Floyd's, and it's not like Mosley and Marquez 3 were wildly compelling matches.

So I say based on that, it should be 55-45 to Manny.

 

Right. Both guys have been trending way up since they fought Hatton - but Pac especially. So numbers from more than about two years ago are irrelevant, IMO.

Over the last 24 months Floyd's averaged 1.35m, Pac 1.3 according to the numbers Hitman posted.

The Cotto fight definitely will take that average up further for Floyd but Cotto & Alvarez contribute allot to that. It's just more complicated than Floyd fans/management make out. And you cant compare 2011/2012 numers to 2009 numbers to make it simpler. That doesn't work.