<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I don't avoid anything :huh: (and I AM going to Adress Atmoicdogg's reference when I have time). [/b][/quote] yes please do try and disagree with the guy who has the PhD in physics and a minor in geology (who also is a believer btw i think)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> dinosaurs are dated as old as like 50 million years old yet the earth is only like 20K years its true, they lived in rocket ships that were in orbit around saturn [/b][/quote] Scientologists?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> As illogical as a virgin giving birth? [/b][/quote] That is NOT illogical. If we believe in a creator, which is the only conclusion to the existence of the universe, then this creator could EASILY create an egg and a sperm, cause fertilization and thusly an embryo inside a virgins womb. EASILY. I don't see what's so illogical about it. it's no more illogical than life being created in the first place where there was no life before. You see...THIS is a prime example of the hypocrisy of athiests. The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> So you stating that God is bounded by the law of logic? HAHA Your God doesn't sound too all powerful. You agreed that there are things he cannot do. My point exactly. Therefore, the concept of God being able to do everything is false. The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!! [/b][/quote] The Great Juggernaut has farted!! God IS bound by logic. That doesn't make him in any way limited, in fact the converse is true. Perhaps you don't know what logic means? The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> As illogical as a virgin giving birth? [/b][/quote] That is NOT illogical. If we believe in a creator, which is the only conclusion to the existence of the universe, then this creator could EASILY create an egg and a sperm, cause fertilization and thusly an embryo inside a virgins womb. EASILY. I don't see what's so illogical about it. it's no more illogical than life being created in the first place where there was no life before. You see...THIS is a prime example of the hypocrisy of athiests. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] yes, and he could also take a whale embryo, implant it in a lion, splice it, then fuse it with a orangutan embryo and make some tree climbing fish type thing with a main
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> So you stating that God is bounded by the law of logic? HAHA Your God doesn't sound too all powerful. You agreed that there are things he cannot do. My point exactly. Therefore, the concept of God being able to do everything is false. The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!! [/b][/quote] The Great Juggernaut has farted!! God IS bound by logic. That doesn't make him in any way limited, in fact the converse is true. Perhaps you don't know what logic means? The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] God isnt bound by the laws of physics, biology, time, etc etc but is bound by logic??
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> dinosaurs are dated as old as like 50 million years old yet the earth is only like 20K years its true, they lived in rocket ships that were in orbit around saturn [/b][/quote] Again...based upon fallible dating methods. We do not know for sure how long ago Dinosaurs were. Scientists change their theories all of the time because truthfully...they don't know everything. You are blindly believing whatever they tell you...and you'll blindly believe the change in their opinion tommorrow. Me saying that Dinosaurs existed thousands of years ago is n omore ridiculous than someone saying it was millions of years ago...because truthfully...NEITHER OF US WERE THERE!!!!!!! Whether the earth is old or young....the point of this thread is that GOD EXISTS...NO ONE has come close to refuting that. Speaking about the Bible and evolution is just another diversion from the shaky ground that athiests find themselves in when trying to defend the position that there is no God. You are doing the same. The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God isnt bound by the laws of physics, biology, time, etc etc but is bound by logic?? [/b][/quote] Agin...you obviously don't know what logic means. :( The Sly One cannot reason with idiots!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> dinosaurs are dated as old as like 50 million years old yet the earth is only like 20K years its true, they lived in rocket ships that were in orbit around saturn [/b][/quote] Again...based upon fallible dating methods. We do not know for sure how long ago Dinosaurs were. Scientists change their theories all of the time because truthfully...they don't know everything. You are blindly believing whatever they tell you...and you'll blindly believe the change in their opinion tommorrow. Me saying that Dinosaurs existed thousands of years ago is n omore ridiculous than someone saying it was millions of years ago...because truthfully...NEITHER OF US WERE THERE!!!!!!! Whether the earth is old or young....the point of this thread is that GOD EXISTS...NO ONE has come close to refuting that. Speaking about the Bible and evolution is just another diversion from the shaky ground that athiests find themselves in when trying to defend the position that there is no God. You are doing the same. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] you STILL havent read the link have you?? no one can refute God doesnt exist but no one can prove he does either
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God isnt bound by the laws of physics, biology, time, etc etc but is bound by logic?? [/b][/quote] Agin...you obviously don't know what logic means. :( The Sly One cannot reason with idiots!! [/b][/quote] logic: reasoning
God is proven BY LOGIC. God is the AUTHOR of logic. God is not the author of CONFUSION (which is the absense of logic). It's not so much that God is BOUND by logic...LOGIC exists because God exists. If God were illogical he wouldn't exist. Do you know what logic means??????? The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is proven BY LOGIC. God is the AUTHOR of logic. God is not the author of CONFUSION (which is the absense of logic). It's not so much that God is BOUND by logic...LOGIC exists because God exists. If God were illogical he wouldn't exist. Do you know what logic means??????? The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] your an idiot shane mosley KO4 god
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> logic: reasoning [/b][/quote] Not entirely. Logic...is the ABSENCE of confusion and contradiction. God is BOUND by the absence of confusion and contradiction because GOD IS TRUTH. But that is too deep for you to understand. Black, Petre others willknow what I mean. The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> logic: reasoning [/b][/quote] Not entirely. Logic...is the ABSENCE of confusion and contradiction. God is BOUND by the absence of confusion and contradiction because GOD IS TRUTH. But that is too deep for you to understand. Black, Petre others willknow what I mean. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] the science of the formal principles of reasoning - taken from m-w.com sorry to break it to you, no one knows what the hell you mean
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> So you stating that God is bounded by the law of logic? HAHA Your God doesn't sound too all powerful. You agreed that there are things he cannot do. My point exactly. Therefore, the concept of God being able to do everything is false. The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!! [/b][/quote] The Great Juggernaut has farted!! God IS bound by logic. That doesn't make him in any way limited, in fact the converse is true. Perhaps you don't know what logic means? The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] Do you hear yourself? God is bound by logic, but that doesn't limit him. The concept of being bound suggest a limit. I already proven that if he is bound by logic, there is something he can't do. Therefore, God is limited and it's a contradiction to himself. God is illogical!!!! Try again Godboy! The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> i would like to hear more about how God just exists, didnt come from anywhere, just is [/b][/quote] Because there HAS to be something that fits that description for there to be anything at all. Time as we know it is a part of our universe (space-time continuum), we quickly see the universe & nothing in it fits that description because it changes & is affected as time passes. So whatever it is exists independent of time (and created time if you're a believer). To look at it another way, we know it's not anything in the universe because we can point to a present moment in time, the present or NOW. By the mere fact that we have a starting point (the now) we've already shown that the universe hasn't always been here. If the universe has always been here that would mean we can regress backwards to infinity (because we had to traverse all the previous time to get to the present) but we know this is impossible just like it's impossible to start counting and count to infinity. If you have a starting point it's impossible to get there. So whatever you want to call that initial, first, timeless constant, it has to exist. [/b][/quote] so its logical to you that there is something/being out there that has existed since the beginning of.... well existance, time, etc etc? so its illogical for something to spring out of nothing yet its totally logic for some being to just have been here all along, didnt come from anything or anywhere, was just here?? that doesnt make any sense at all to me [/b][/quote] You're still thinking in time which is very hard not to do I know. Everything that was created is subject to time, maybe not time as we know it but to some passing or traversing of events. Completely throw away the notion of time and it becomes easier to see.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sly, I have used this identical argument every time that the discussion of God has come up... and eventually it has slowly dawned on everyone that I have told.. yes.. there MUST be a God. Too many people get caught up in evolution, the Bible, re-incarnation, and other religious beliefs during the discussion of God. People need to realize that these are all simply human interpratations of something that is to us completely foreign. To believe in God, is not necessarily to be religious. To deny the existance of God is ludicrous. [/b][/quote] I couldn't have put it any better. great post. [/b][/quote] why is it ludicrous? because you tell us it is? if neither of you went to church ever or had parents that went to church or never had any contact with anything to do with church/christianity, etc etc you wouldnt even know who the fuck god was let alone that he created the earth
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is proven BY LOGIC. God is the AUTHOR of logic. God is not the author of CONFUSION (which is the absense of logic). It's not so much that God is BOUND by logic...LOGIC exists because God exists. If God were illogical he wouldn't exist. Do you know what logic means??????? The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] HAHAHA Again you prove my point. Your God is not all that powerful. Now u suggesting your God is not the author of "confusion." Is your God even the creator? Let me again try to hammer into ur bounded intelligence. There can't exist logic without illogic (in ur words confusion). The two has to co-exist. Just as Dark and Light has to exist for one to exist. Just as Hot and Cold has to exist for one to exist. There is no way to comprehend one without the other. Therefore to say God is only the author of one concept and not the other is to say he didnt create everything? Do you see how stupid your idea of God is? According to you, he's not even the creator of everything, which again defies the concept of God. I hope that clear things up for you. If not, may Jesus save your soul, Godboy!!! The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> no one can refute God doesnt exist but no one can prove he does either [/b][/quote] Bravo! Adog34 KO1 God Thread.
And Juggernaut the short answer to your question is God cannot do "everything" (for example He can't lie or contradict himself as sly pointed out). If you think that makes him not omnipotent (all powerful) that's on you.
"God" is just another theory like Big Bang, the only difference is that Big Bang is at least derived by some form of observation, testing and evidence where God is based on anecdotes and Chinese whispers. God is a philosophical argument, not a scientific one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> And Juggernaut the short answer to your question is God cannot do "everything" (for example He can't lie or contradict himself as sly pointed out). If you think that makes him not omnipotent (all powerful) that's on you. [/b][/quote] HAHA You think God cannot lie? He's only limited by truth? Let me ask you this. If God promise unconditional love for all his children, why does he require you and everyone to follow his rules in order to be with him in Heaven? Unconditional means without condition. However that's not true. He set a condition that is to get his love is for you not to sin, or else, face eternal damnation in hell. In other words, God LIED to you. And if you still thinks he loves u even if he sends you to hell. HAHAH what a misguided idea of love that is. Again if you want to know whether God lied or not, just ask your mom. God promised her a beautiful child, and she bore your ugly ass. HAHAHHAA Damn, I'm too good. The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> And Juggernaut the short answer to your question is God cannot do "everything" (for example He can't lie or contradict himself as sly pointed out). If you think that makes him not omnipotent (all powerful) that's on you. [/b][/quote] HAHA You think God cannot lie? He's only limited by truth? Let me ask you this. If God promise unconditional love for all his children, why does he require you and everyone to follow his rules in order to be with him in Heaven? Unconditional means without condition. However that's not true. He set a condition that is to get his love is for you not to sin, or else, face eternal damnation in hell. In other words, God LIED to you. And if you still thinks he loves u even if he sends you to hell. HAHAH what a misguided idea of love that is. Again if you want to know whether God lied or not, just ask your mom. God promised her a beautiful child, and she bore your ugly ass. HAHAHHAA Damn, I'm too good. The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!! [/b][/quote] ok now thats funny
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> And Juggernaut the short answer to your question is God cannot do "everything" (for example He can't lie or contradict himself as sly pointed out). If you think that makes him not omnipotent (all powerful) that's on you. [/b][/quote] HAHA You think God cannot lie? He's only limited by truth? Let me ask you this. If God promise unconditional love for all his children, why does he require you and everyone to follow his rules in order to be with him in Heaven? Unconditional means without condition. However that's not true. He set a condition that is to get his love is for you not to sin, or else, face eternal damnation in hell. In other words, God LIED to you. And if you still thinks he loves u even if he sends you to hell. HAHAH what a misguided idea of love that is. Again if you want to know whether God lied or not, just ask your mom. God promised her a beautiful child, and she bore your ugly ass. HAHAHHAA Damn, I'm too good. The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!! [/b][/quote] :wacko: Ok, you obviously have an agenda or some misdirected anger, no use in trying to discuss the issue with you... "...pearls to swine" as sly would say
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> As illogical as a virgin giving birth? [/b][/quote] That is NOT illogical. If we believe in a creator, which is the only conclusion to the existence of the universe, then this creator could EASILY create an egg and a sperm, cause fertilization and thusly an embryo inside a virgins womb. EASILY. I don't see what's so illogical about it. it's no more illogical than life being created in the first place where there was no life before. You see...THIS is a prime example of the hypocrisy of athiests. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] First off, I need to correct you, I'm not an atheist, I believe in a higher force of some sort, just not as depicted in organised religions. If you're going to accept virgins giving birth before the invention of artifitial insemination, five thousand people being fed by a couple of loaves of bread, men being risen from the dead as LOGICAL. Then I can't see how you can deny evolution when there is more REASONING behind it. For example, a chimpanzee's DNA is 98% identical to our own, is that mere coincidence? They share certain characteristics with us too, and bonobo chimps are able to interpret and communicate with humans through computers and symbol boards. Even in other species of animal evolution has occured, they found the remains of a "super-crocodile" which fed on LARGE dinosaurs and was 5 times bigger than a normal crocodile, they became extinct along with the extinction of dinosaurs, but crocodiles are still around today, only smaller, could it be they evolved that way over time to accomodate smaller prey? You say the earth is only THOUSANDS of years old, but as was mentioned before (I think), the moon has suffered MANY meteor impacts throughout its history, over millions of years, the gulf of Mexico IS a meteor impact, and is said to be the one which killed the dinosaurs, and it's CLEARLY more than a few thousand years old. You need to define your version of logic, because you're taking conventional logic and dismissing it, while trying to make the illogical logical.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> And Juggernaut the short answer to your question is God cannot do "everything" (for example He can't lie or contradict himself as sly pointed out). If you think that makes him not omnipotent (all powerful) that's on you. [/b][/quote] HAHA You think God cannot lie? He's only limited by truth? Let me ask you this. If God promise unconditional love for all his children, why does he require you and everyone to follow his rules in order to be with him in Heaven? Unconditional means without condition. However that's not true. He set a condition that is to get his love is for you not to sin, or else, face eternal damnation in hell. In other words, God LIED to you. And if you still thinks he loves u even if he sends you to hell. HAHAH what a misguided idea of love that is. Again if you want to know whether God lied or not, just ask your mom. God promised her a beautiful child, and she bore your ugly ass. HAHAHHAA Damn, I'm too good. The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!! [/b][/quote] :wacko: Ok, you obviously have an agenda or some misdirected anger, no use in trying to discuss the issue with you... "...pearls to swine" as sly would say [/b][/quote] You taking this the wrong way. I do not have an agenda. I am not filled with anger. I read this threat and see many here can't seem to offer any good counters to sly's limited logical arguement for God. So the Great Juggernaut has to step in and crush the competition. The thing is the more you bound God to any laws, esp religious ones. It's very simple to argue against it. I'm merely using what you know against you. Thanks for the fight. Juggernaut KO black round 1. :huh:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> no one can refute God doesnt exist but no one can prove he does either [/b][/quote] Bravo! Adog34 KO1 God Thread. [/b][/quote] Considering that the thread is already 15 pages even if he did "KO" it with that cliched post, it would be at least KO 15. :huh: You've got nothing of substance to add to this thread, do ya PUNK? I KOed you the last time and now you're a little bit pensive. You don't know what ammunition I have left and so you're keeping a low profile. I know what you're thinking PUNK, you're thinking did he fire six bullets or only five. Tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all of this excitement. But seeing that this is a 44 magnum: the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off...you've got to ask yourself a question, do I feel lucky? Well do ya....PUNK!!?? The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> "God" is just another theory like Big Bang, the only difference is that Big Bang is at least derived by some form of observation, testing and evidence where God is based on anecdotes and Chinese whispers. God is a philosophical argument, not a scientific one. [/b][/quote] Utter absolute nonsense! Who observed the big bang...PUNK? You've lost your natural mind!! :shaneUD12Oscar: God is both a philosophical AND scientific argument...PUNK! Haven't you been paying attention? The Sly One has Spoken!!
