<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> :wacko: Well ..... IF you believe the oldest recorded history , the Bible ..... man used to actually talk to God. Archaeologists use the Bible on a regular basis for fact finding and dig locations , which has always proven to be accurate ... so atleast THAT part is not made up. :wacko: [/b][/quote] Back to the subject, it doesn't affect my life in one way or the other if god exists or not. And contrary to the many delusions that I'm sure some of you have, it doesn't affect your lives either. I certainly don't worship the god depicted in the bible. That was one evil, vendictive, and sanctimonious piece of shit. If any of you guys are delusional enough to think that you actually talk to god and he listens to you, please give him this message from me. Tell him I said he can fuck right off! He and his son can both fuck right off! :finger:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sly, what about the gamma ray problem, I would be interested in hearing your views on it [/b][/quote] I'm not familiar with it. Please enlighten me. The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Mex Radio, You got problems and so has Juanita. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] Who the hell is Juanita?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Mex Radio, You got problems and so has Juanita. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] As for me having problems, Sly, I am not the one who is constantly starting threads trying to convince and convert others to think like I do. I let others be. If you want to worship god, satan, jesus, mickey mouse, or whoever, it doesn't matter to me. So be it. But you on the other hand can not accept the fact that there others who don't think like you. There are those who don't see the truth in what you regard as sacred. Sooner or later you're going to have to accept that not everyone shares your belief and you can huff and puff about cause and effect all you want to but it doesn't change a thing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> :wacko: Well ..... IF you believe the oldest recorded history , the Bible ..... man used to actually talk to God. Archaeologists use the Bible on a regular basis for fact finding and dig locations , which has always proven to be accurate ... so atleast THAT part is not made up. :wacko: [/b][/quote] the bible is not the oldest recorded history [/b][/quote] Really .... what is ? :: The Dead Sea Scrolls are part of the bible so don't use that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> :wacko: Well ..... IF you believe the oldest recorded history , the Bible ..... man used to actually talk to God. Archaeologists use the Bible on a regular basis for fact finding and dig locations , which has always proven to be accurate ... so atleast THAT part is not made up. :wacko: [/b][/quote] smoke & mirrors [/b][/quote] Notice I used a big <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">IF</span> The second part of the statement is fact.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> :wacko: Well ..... IF you believe the oldest recorded history , the Bible ..... man used to actually talk to God. Archaeologists use the Bible on a regular basis for fact finding and dig locations , which has always proven to be accurate ... so atleast THAT part is not made up. :wacko: [/b][/quote] Back to the subject, it doesn't affect my life in one way or the other if god exists or not. And contrary to the many delusions that I'm sure some of you have, it doesn't affect your lives either. I certainly don't worship the god depicted in the bible. That was one evil, vendictive, and sanctimonious piece of shit. If any of you guys are delusional enough to think that you actually talk to god and he listens to you, please give him this message from me. Tell him I said he can fuck right off! He and his son can both fuck right off! :finger: [/b][/quote] See post above this one . Pure genius Mr. Blue ..... they did the same thing right before they drowned .... Moral : History repeats itself because some never learn .
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> :wacko: Well ..... IF you believe the oldest recorded history , the Bible ..... man used to actually talk to God. Archaeologists use the Bible on a regular basis for fact finding and dig locations , which has always proven to be accurate ... so atleast THAT part is not made up. :wacko: [/b][/quote] Back to the subject, it doesn't affect my life in one way or the other if god exists or not. And contrary to the many delusions that I'm sure some of you have, it doesn't affect your lives either. I certainly don't worship the god depicted in the bible. That was one evil, vendictive, and sanctimonious piece of shit. If any of you guys are delusional enough to think that you actually talk to god and he listens to you, please give him this message from me. Tell him I said he can fuck right off! He and his son can both fuck right off! :finger: [/b][/quote] See post above this one . Pure genius Mr. Blue ..... they did the same thing right before they drowned .... Moral : History repeats itself because some never learn . [/b][/quote] Yeah...they keep killing each other in the name of God.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Yeah...they keep killing each other in the name of God. [/b][/quote] Thats just a good excuse. We want to kill each other anyway, and there isnt anything wrong with that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] How do you figure? This is the most ignorant statement that I have read so far. Humans were not here forever. Nothing that changes was. Something had to create us....it takes intelligence to produce intelligence. [/b][/quote] We created the concept of GOD to answer the unanswerable. do you see? [/b][/quote] "it takes intelligence to produce intelligence" It's like the old "what came first, the chicken or the egg" There must have been "intelligence" to Create "the CReator" then ? Or did he just appear and he's the only one allowed to? [/b][/quote] exactly It's an unproveable point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] HUMAN is a God invention. [/b][/quote] do animals worship GOD? NOPE. That didn't start until our kind started appearing. Our big brains created the whole concept to answer the unanswerable.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> In the end, does this discussion really have any bearing on anything at all? If God does exist - what impact does he have, off wherever he is? I can't imagine for an instant that he would pay even the slightest attention to our human fumblings and bumblings. Of course, humankind being the supremely arrogant types that we are, place ourselves at the centre and forefront of his attentions. After all, it took him only about 13 billion years to get around to making us. Obviously we're not his greatest concern, one would think. And of course, if he didn't exist, it wouldn't matter either. It'd be a silly semantic argument between people with too much time or brainpower on their hands which would have the same impact as a speck of dirt in the sea. Either way, the argument has no impact on us aside from getting people pissed off and worked up about something which, in no way shape or form, can we either prove or disprove. The existence of God is basically a human-created paradox. All it comes down to is belief. In the end, there are better and more important things to worry about - such as why we still feel the need to kill each other, cause pain to each other, and generally act like fucks all around the world. These sorts of discussions are much more valuable than theological or existential debates. But, that's my dumb take on things. [/b][/quote] Nonsense! The discussion of where we came from and consequently where we are going is of central importance. You just written a paragraphed cliche designed to get some congratulations...but not really well thought out, and certainly doesn't impress me. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] I didn't write it to impress you, did I? You may think of it as cliche if you wish - no one here can persuade you out of your dogma, and I certainly wouldn't want to try. Just because you do not agree with what I say doesn't imply that it wasn't thought out. Why is it of consequence to work out where we came from? We are here, and that is of prime importance. What we do with our time, and what sort of impact we have, as individuals and collectively, on each other and the world around us, is far more important than ridiculous - or otherwise - theories about our origin. It's all well and good to wonder, but in the end, it makes little to no difference whatsoever. We're better off concerning ourselves with the here and now. Cdogg - I've been here off and on, so my presence comes and goes with the winds, but I'm gonna try and stick around!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> As for me having problems, Sly, I am not the one who is constantly starting threads trying to convince and convert others to think like I do. I let others be. If you want to worship god, satan, jesus, mickey mouse, or whoever, it doesn't matter to me. So be it. But you on the other hand can not accept the fact that there others who don't think like you. There are those who don't see the truth in what you regard as sacred. Sooner or later you're going to have to accept that not everyone shares your belief and you can huff and puff about cause and effect all you want to but it doesn't change a thing. [/b][/quote] What does this have to do with anything? We discuss boxing don't we. We do not all have the same views. We discuss politics, women, social issues. Why do YOU have such a "hangup" about discussing God? I accept the fact that we all have different viewpoints, but what's wrong with sharing my own. When we are discussing boxing no one complains that anyone is "constantly starting threads trying to convince and convert others to think like I do". But when God comes up all of the athiests get offended. Why is that? The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> "it takes intelligence to produce intelligence" It's like the old "what came first, the chicken or the egg" There must have been "intelligence" to Create "the CReator" then ? Or did he just appear and he's the only one allowed to? [/b][/quote] I've already explained this. The creator was not created, therefore the same rules don't apply to him. The creator is a constant; an unchanging entity outside of time. Therefore he didn't "appear" he just IS. If I was saying that he did come into existence at a poiont in time, your point would be valid. But I'm not saying that. It is obvious that the universe isn't a constant, as it is always changing, denoting that it had a beginning and thusly leaving the only conclusion that it was caused. However something that is constant, didn't have a beginning and therefore the issues of being caused and/or created do not apply to it. The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I think he meant the oldest recorded "history" of an established religion. Or perhaps he didn't... [/b][/quote] Actually, Freddy, parts of some of the Hindu holy writings (Upanashads) are older than the Bible. [/b][/quote] Really? Is that including the oldest sections of the Old Testament? As History is your field, I will defer to your wisdom on this one Hairyson. [/b][/quote] Yes, its true. Genisis isn't even the oldest book in the Bible, Job is. Job is a transliteration of an older Sumerian folktale, and can be traced back to about 2000 BC. Parts of the Upanashads were carried with the Dravidians when they established dominace in India around 2000 BC. They came from the much older Indus River Civilization (most famous city was probably Mojenhodero) which had copies of the Upanshads as early as 2500 BC, and some scholars believe they (Hinduism which sprang from the Upanashads) were part of a tribal religion of the early tribes of ancient Sumer, perhaps as early as 4500 BC. The Bible - the Christian Bible- is a johnny come lately as far as holy scripture, not really being completed until after the the Great Council in the 4th century. The Torah - older than the Christian Bible but having the Books of Moses (which it is doubtful he actually wrote them) - oldest parts only go back to the 13th century BC. Some of the vocal traditions - not written down till about 500 years ago - of the oldest known religion still in paractice go back maybe 7000 years. Believe it or not, that religion (still practiced in some parts of Africa) contains what we in the US refer to as Santeria, or Voodoo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> "it takes intelligence to produce intelligence" It's like the old "what came first, the chicken or the egg" There must have been "intelligence" to Create "the CReator" then ? Or did he just appear and he's the only one allowed to? [/b][/quote] I've already explained this. The creator was not created, therefore the same rules don't apply to him. The creator is a constant; an unchanging entity outside of time. Therefore he didn't "appear" he just IS. If I was saying that he did come into existence at a poiont in time, your point would be valid. But I'm not saying that. It is obvious that the universe isn't a constant, as it is always changing, denoting that it had a beginning and thusly leaving the only conclusion that it was caused. However something that is constant, didn't have a beginning and therefore the issues of being caused and/or created do not apply to it. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> [/b][/quote] I don't understand the " ". Try to refute my points with sound logic, I like an intelligent discussion, don't just respond with a . That makes it seem like you cannot communicate your thoughts properly. The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> "it takes intelligence to produce intelligence" It's like the old "what came first, the chicken or the egg" There must have been "intelligence" to Create "the CReator" then ? Or did he just appear and he's the only one allowed to? [/b][/quote] I've already explained this. The creator was not created, therefore the same rules don't apply to him. The creator is a constant; an unchanging entity outside of time. Therefore he didn't "appear" he just IS. If I was saying that he did come into existence at a poiont in time, your point would be valid. But I'm not saying that. It is obvious that the universe isn't a constant, as it is always changing, denoting that it had a beginning and thusly leaving the only conclusion that it was caused. However something that is constant, didn't have a beginning and therefore the issues of being caused and/or created do not apply to it. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] [/b][/quote] :wacko: So you don't see what he's saying?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> "it takes intelligence to produce intelligence" It's like the old "what came first, the chicken or the egg" There must have been "intelligence" to Create "the CReator" then ? Or did he just appear and he's the only one allowed to? [/b][/quote] I've already explained this. The creator was not created, therefore the same rules don't apply to him. The creator is a constant; an unchanging entity outside of time. Therefore he didn't "appear" he just IS. If I was saying that he did come into existence at a poiont in time, your point would be valid. But I'm not saying that. It is obvious that the universe isn't a constant, as it is always changing, denoting that it had a beginning and thusly leaving the only conclusion that it was caused. However something that is constant, didn't have a beginning and therefore the issues of being caused and/or created do not apply to it. The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote] [/b][/quote] :wacko: So you don't see what he's saying? [/b][/quote] OH I see
Maybe he should have said, the creator doesn't change with respect to time and is "timeless" or "outside of time" so to speak but everything in our observable universe including the universe itself changes with respect to time meaning it had to have had a beginning.... that probably doesn't make it any clearer... ntome:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Maybe he should have said, the creator doesn't change with respect to time and is "timeless" or "outside of time" so to speak but everything in our observable universe including the universe itself changes with respect to time meaning it had to have had a beginning.... that probably doesn't make it any clearer... ntome: [/b][/quote] Well said, you understand my point. I don't think that LOK can graso it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Maybe he should have said, the creator doesn't change with respect to time and is "timeless" or "outside of time" so to speak but everything in our observable universe including the universe itself changes with respect to time meaning it had to have had a beginning.... that probably doesn't make it any clearer... ntome: [/b][/quote] Well said, you understand my point. I don't think that LOK can graso it. [/b][/quote] I see you cant see that I see.... I should have wrote it.. OH, (coma) "I" see... as in "believe me" maybe you need me to draw it in crayons for you
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I see you cant see that I see.... I should have wrote it.. OH, (coma) "I" see... as in "believe me" maybe you need me to draw it in crayons for you [/b][/quote] :wacko: You are too deep for me. The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] HUMAN is a God invention. [/b][/quote] do animals worship GOD? [/b][/quote] Yep. Humans are animals. And many humans worship God.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] HUMAN is a God invention. [/b][/quote] do animals worship GOD? [/b][/quote] Yep. Humans are animals. And many humans worship God. [/b][/quote] Clever guy :YeahRight: By the way, if there is a God, what is the use in worshipping Him? What good would it do anything? Nothing would change if we did or didn't worship Him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] HUMAN is a God invention. [/b][/quote] do animals worship GOD? [/b][/quote] Yep. Humans are animals. And many humans worship God. [/b][/quote] Clever guy :YeahRight: By the way, if there is a God, what is the use in worshipping Him? What good would it do anything? Nothing would change if we did or didn't worship Him. [/b][/quote] Sir Slice, I have come to the same conclusion. If there is a God, and by definition, he knows all, then He knows who will or won't make it to heaven, and there is not a thing you can do to change it, because God's will is God's will, then why bother. Good point. ::
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> By the way, if there is a God, what is the use in worshipping Him? What good would it do anything? Nothing would change if we did or didn't worship Him. [/b][/quote] Whether we should worship him or not is irrelevant to this thread...but I'll adress that anyway. Let's say there is a God, and by virtue of being God he is all powerful. Let's say that this God commands us to worship him or else he'll punish us. If he's all powerful he can make good his promise and there'll be nothing that we can do about it (because we are NOT all powerful). Therefore in such a situation it would make sense to worship him don't you think? But that's going off the topic. The Sly One has Spoken!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sir Slice, I have come to the same conclusion. If there is a God, and by definition, he knows all, then He knows who will or won't make it to heaven, and there is not a thing you can do to change it, because God's will is God's will, then why bother. Good point. :: [/b][/quote] In a sense you are correct...but to further explain that is going too deep. Why bother? You should only "bother" if that is what you want to do. If you want to do it and do it, it would mean that you are one of the people that he already knew would make it. He would know the end from the beginning, in eternity, but we have the ability to choose or choose not, in time. The Sly One has Spoken!!
