Does God exist or not?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> i would like to hear more about how God just exists, didnt come from anywhere, just is [/b][/quote]
Because there HAS to be something that fits that description for there to be anything at all. Time as we know it is a part of our universe (space-time continuum), we quickly see the universe & nothing in it fits that description because it changes & is affected as time passes. So whatever it is exists independent of time (and created time if you're a believer).

To look at it another way, we know it's not anything in the universe because we can point to a present moment in time, the present or NOW. By the mere fact that we have a starting point (the now) we've already shown that the universe hasn't always been here. If the universe has always been here that would mean we can regress backwards to infinity (because we had to traverse all the previous time to get to the present) but we know this is impossible just like it's impossible to start counting and count to infinity. If you have a starting point it's impossible to get there. So whatever you want to call that initial, first, timeless constant, it has to exist.

 

GoD is DoG backwards! Both Serves Man! Man is the real God!!!!!!

 

One question...


Did man and Dinosaur live together? If so, why didn't cave writings have them in their images.

Did dinosaurs live 8000 years ago and were they the original lifeform?





SLY, WILL YOU AVOID THIS?


This is not an athiest speking. I believe without doubt but your theory is comical.

 

I believe god does exist...

However, what do you guys feel about the bible saying the earth is only 6000 years old? when science proves it is much older, like 5 billion years.

What do you guys think about the bible saying the earth , man, and vegitation were made in 6 days?

Why do you think animals were created?

if there is heavan where does it exist?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I believe god does exist...

However, what do you guys feel about the bible saying the earth is only 6000 years old? when science proves it is much older, like 5 billion years.

What do you guys think about the bible saying the earth , man, and vegitation were made in 6 days?

Why do you think animals were created?

if there is heavan where does it exist? [/b][/quote]
Read the thread Capone, the bible doesn't say that... in short "day" in Hebrew has three meanings one of which means an indefinite period of time. Translated to english we understand it as one of it's other meanings which is a 24 hour period.

 

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sorry, continue.....

 

Sly: Here is a logic one for you.

God can do everything right?

Can he create a rock so heavy that he himself can't lift?

If he can create that rock, then he can't lift the rock, therefore there is something God can't do.

If he can't create that rock, then again God can't do everything.

What can we learn from this? Some suggest it proves the concept of God is not logical.

The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!!!!
:box:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> You did...he/she/it was simply called different names. All Gods are One, and all that rot. Christianity also appropriated many pagan holidays and called them something else, like Easter, All Saints Day and Christmas.

That's the easiest way to convert people, is to take something they are used to celebrating already, and renaming it.
-M [/b][/quote]
wtf?

greeks didnt believe in one God, they had a whole system of gods

many other cultures as well, would you say that its all the same thing even though their main scriptures, writings etc are different from "gods word" the bible [/b][/quote]
:wacko: .... Zeus

For even though there are those who are called "gods" whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many gods and lords , there is actually one true God the Father, out of whom all things are. (1 Corinthians 8:5)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> you are using some f*#ked up pseudoscience...
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That's basically what I was saying & that's my disagreement with Sly. All of the young earth creation "science" is easily disprovable & is downright dishonest & most importantly UNECCESSARY. The answers are all there you just have to dig a little deeper. [/b][/quote]
sly is a fanatic, takes the bibles word as literal, not translateable

which i mean, is stupid to begin with because, lets say it IS gods word (we're assuming god is real), the bible is only mans interpretation of the word, man wrote it, theres bound to be some inaccuracies, things that dont make sense, etc etc [/b][/quote]
That's a simplistic way to look at it... IMO it's ok to take the bible literally (but I'm a bible believing Christian) you just have to take it literally in the language it was written in. Most of the inaccuracies & misunderstandings come from the translation to other languages. [/b][/quote]
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Very accurate post Black :)

There in lies half the problem.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> In a debate at Oxford one time, Thomas Huxley is reported to have stated that if enough monkeys randomly pressed typewriter keys for a long enough time, sooner or later Psalm 23 would emerge. Huxley believed that life was created by chance, just as Darwin had suggested and, life being a chance ocurrance Divine intervention had nothing to do with it.

Of course, not all atheists use this argument, and not everybody who supports Darwin's Theory of Evolution is an atheist, but this interpretation accurately represents the darwininan proposition that with enough time and enough solar systems, after much trial and error, eventually we will all land here. It could be described as an inevitable fate of nature. In some ways, it is a deterministic approach to explaining life.

Trying to imagine the beginning of all things that surround us has been a task that has ocuppied man since the dawn of time. There has never been a philosopher who has not tried to broach the subject in one way or another. But the belief that matter is eternal, and that life is inevitable, has always struck me as rather implausible. The argument that infinitely complex intelligence came about by itself, unguided by any sort of intelligence, can only be deemed convincing by those who have some kind of a vested interest (intellectual, emotional, psychological) in atheism.


The theist position has its challenges, too. For those who advance the idea of a just God, creator of the whole universe, and Answer to all our prayers, they also have to deal with many observable, uncomfortable facts. Life is often unfair, random, brutal, and painful. How could a God of Mercy create such a world of injustice and miseries?

But no intellectually honest atheist should deny the great challenge to atheism, either. For instance, let's look at the existence of design and intelligence in all the things that are relative to life. The belief that Stravinsky's music randomly evolved from a paramecium should strike anyone as so fantastic as to be absurd, even more absurd than the belief that a monkey could monkey Shakespeare, or President Bush. (Shut up.)

No matter how you look at it, the finite number of years in the universe's existence and the finite number of planets known and unknown to man would not come close to producing a few sentences, let alone the Sermon of the Mountain, or a Shakespearean play.

But if you want proof, let's look at the experiment just reported by an English University in which it is clearly proved that the number of monkeys and the amount of time are irrelevant for the case, no matter how hard these monkeys type. Psalm 23, or let alone, The Bible, would never be written. Why? Because the monkeys probably wouldn't do any typing to begin with, that's why.

According to a news report from a few years back, instructors at Plymouth University put six Sulawesi crested macaque monkeys in a room with a computer and keyboards for four weeks. Then, the scientists waited to see what happened. If they had asked Joebazooka, I would have told them what would happen. But they didn't ask me.

Though one of the monkeys frequently typed the letter "s", the other monkeys ignored the keyboard, preferring to play with one another and masturbate. Sometimes they also dangled from the ropes and toys placed there. When they did pay attention to the keyboard, one smashed it with a stone and the others repeatedly urinated and shat on it.

Thank you.

To the amazement of the atheists at hand, the monkyes didn't write Hamlet. But of course, the instructors hastened to note that the study was not really scientific, considering the short duration of time and the small number of monkeys, and the fact that the damned animals were constantly unplugging the computer so, if Hamlet had been written by one of the simians while the computer was unplugged, unfortunately it could conceivably have been lost to the ages.

Of course, if they had asked me, I would have told them. Some of us find this "study" to be a hilarious vindication of the theistic view that "enough monkeys for enough time" argument ain't hold a candle to "God made it happen, and he happens to be American."

As we all know, there are many intellectually honest atheists, and there are many intellectually dishonest believers in the Divine. Nevertheless, I believe that any objective person would have to conclude that the belief that everything came about by itself and that randomness is the creator of everything created is infinitely less intellectually sound than the belief in a Creator/Designer.

However, many people come to doubt the existence of a Divine Creator simply because so many powerful, influential intellectuals are atheists. It is also necessary to admit that God fearing people are usually viewed with barely held contempt by intellectuals who have the tendency to regard Jeovah or Allah on the same level as Santa.

But it was a major scientist, Professor Robert Jastrow, an agnostic, who best explained the atheism which is easily found amongst many scientists.

In his book "G-d and the Astronomers," Jastrow tells of his surprise when so many fellow astronomers refused to accept the Big Bang hypothesis for the origins of the universe. "How could this be?" wondered Mr. Jastrow. Well, Jastrow writes, many astronomers were actually unhappy about it because the Big Bang implied abeginning to the universe. And a beginning implies a Creator. And a Creator is not something many scientists are willing to believe in.

From Jastrow's perspective then, many scientists have vested, non-scientific interests in some of their beliefs and especially to the non-existence of God. Their position is of a psychological or emotional nature not intellectual one, and that's why many scientists prefer to believe that given enough monkeys, enough time, and enough typewriters, one of them will eventually type out a Don Quixote and another one will be able to read it.

But from my miserable, ignorant station in life, it seems to me that neither math nor science argues that all the crap that surrounds us came about randomly, by pure accident, and without Divine intervention. Only a keen desire to deny God explains such a belief; it couldn't possibly be anything else. And it is a belief that perhaps we would better lay to rest beneath a large pile of monkey shit and pee as soon as the next random chance allows us to do so. [/b][/quote]
Huxley the Huckster peddling his bullshit ::

Good post Joe .... in the end most scientists admit we don't have the answers and MANY agree that after wading through hypothesis and unproven theories , there must have been some kind of creation.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> One question...


Did man and Dinosaur live together? If so, why didn't cave writings have them in their images.

Did dinosaurs live 8000 years ago and were they the original lifeform?





SLY, WILL YOU AVOID THIS?


This is not an athiest speking. I believe without doubt but your theory is comical. [/b][/quote]
Dinosaurs were created and destroyed before Adam . "The great beasts" were created on the 4th creation day which lasted approximately 7000 years. Notice it states that the (depending on the version you read) Great beasts , sea monsters , every sort of winged creature .....

MOST all scientist and archaeologists agree .... Dinosaurs of most every kind were derived from marine and bird like animals.

On the 5th Day both animals and wild beasts were made to roam the earth another 7000 years before on the 6th day when man was created.

According to the bible we were created perfect and designed to live forever ... today we cannot figure why we actually age , just that we do. From the time of Adam we have become less perfect and thus lived shorter and shorter lives from Adam who according to the bible lived 930 years as did most of his offspring , until just recently where now we are able to extend our naural lives through science and medicine.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> You did...he/she/it was simply called different names. All Gods are One, and all that rot. Christianity also appropriated many pagan holidays and called them something else, like Easter, All Saints Day and Christmas.

That's the easiest way to convert people, is to take something they are used to celebrating already, and renaming it.
-M [/b][/quote]
Most every culture has stories of a great flood as well .

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> You did...he/she/it was simply called different names. All Gods are One, and all that rot. Christianity also appropriated many pagan holidays and called them something else, like Easter, All Saints Day and Christmas.

That's the easiest way to convert people, is to take something they are used to celebrating already, and renaming it.
-M [/b][/quote]
Most every culture has stories of a great flood as well . [/b][/quote]
...more than one, in some cases.




I submit, that in the end, we STILL don't really know shit.
-M

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> "Though one of the monkeys frequently typed the letter "s", the other monkeys ignored the keyboard, preferring to play with one another and masturbate. Sometimes they also dangled from the ropes and toys placed there. When they did pay attention to the keyboard, one smashed it with a stone and the others repeatedly urinated and shat on it. "

OH MY GOD...FIGHTWORLD HAS BEEN USED IN AN EPERIMENT BY PLYMOUTH UNIVERSITY!!!

:shaneUD12Oscar:
-M [/b][/quote]
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I consider islam the most important religion because it confirms that god of the bible and of the old testament and god wrote the quran and sent muhammad as his LAST messenger. Since Muhammad was his LAST Messenger i think islam is the more signifigant then christianity and christians shuld read and cherish the quran because we have the same god.

I think islam clears alot of awnsers about religion and it clears some inaccuracies about the bible. For example muhammad said that people had changed the bible and reinterpreted it for thier own cruel reasons.

Muhammad also cleared the fact that Jesus is NOT god's son. He was a prophet but god has no children. Jews also do not believe Jesus was god's son. Therfore I think you guys should go out and read the quran and you are all welcomed to convert with open arms.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I consider islam the most important religion because it confirms that god of the bible and of the old testament and god wrote the quran and sent muhammad as his LAST messenger. Since Muhammad was his LAST Messenger i think islam is the more signifigant then christianity and christians shuld read and cherish the quran because we have the same god.

I think islam clears alot of awnsers about religion and it clears some inaccuracies about the bible. For example muhammad said that people had changed the bible and reinterpreted it for thier own cruel reasons.

Muhammad also cleared the fact that Jesus is NOT god's son. He was a prophet but god has no children. Jews also do not believe Jesus was god's son. Therfore I think you guys should go out and read the quran and you are all welcomed to convert with open arms. [/b][/quote]
The Quran is invalid because it was written in the 6th century AD and claimed that God is a custodian of his word: nothing written previously was lost or corrupted and that the quran tself is no more important than any previous revelation and those (muslims) who claim that it is will go to hell for "shirk". The quran talks about "the people of the book" (Christians) and implies heavily that "the book" (Torah, Ingil (bible)) wasn't corrupted at that time. The quran PRAISES the book and the people of the book, in fact. However historically the Bible is the same today (in the Greek and hebrew) than it was at that time. Muhammad came AFTER the council of nicea (386) yet the quran says that the "book" was as valid a revelation as the book. So the quran has problems since it conflicts with "the book". If the book is wrong then the quran lied about the fact that God is a guardian of all his revelations and if the book is right...the quran is wrong. Either way the quran is in big trouble.

So some things to consider and with that I'm.... ntome:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I consider islam the most important religion because it confirms that god of the bible and of the old testament and god wrote the quran and sent muhammad as his LAST messenger. Since Muhammad was his LAST Messenger i think islam is the more signifigant then christianity and christians shuld read and cherish the quran because we have the same god.

I think islam clears alot of awnsers about religion and it clears some inaccuracies about the bible. For example muhammad said that people had changed the bible and reinterpreted it for thier own cruel reasons.

Muhammad also cleared the fact that Jesus is NOT god's son. He was a prophet but god has no children. Jews also do not believe Jesus was god's son. Therfore I think you guys should go out and read the quran and you are all welcomed to convert with open arms. [/b][/quote]
I'll consider that offer.



Thank you.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> One question...


Did man and Dinosaur live together? If so, why didn't cave writings have them in their images.

Did dinosaurs live 8000 years ago and were they the original lifeform?





SLY, WILL YOU AVOID THIS?


This is not an athiest speking. I believe without doubt but your theory is comical. [/b][/quote]
I don't avoid anything :huh: (and I AM going to Adress Atmoicdogg's reference when I have time).

I believe that Dinosaurs existed before man, there may have been an overlap, but really my impression from reading the Bible as well as science is that they existed before man, was destroyed by God (through a meteor impact or whatever), and then man was created.

Based on certain things that I read in the Bible I actually believe that Dinosaurs may have been intelligent...like a civilization...but THAT is for another discussion.


Which of my theories do you find comical? Creation as opposed to Evolution, Bible as opposed to no Bible, Young Earth as opposed to Old Earth? Which ever one...please give me a detailed analysis to the contrary.

Otherwise shut up! :teh angry:


J/K


The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sly: Here is a logic one for you.

God can do everything right?

Can he create a rock so heavy that he himself can't lift?

If he can create that rock, then he can't lift the rock, therefore there is something God can't do.

If he can't create that rock, then again God can't do everything.

What can we learn from this? Some suggest it proves the concept of God is not logical.

The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!!!!
:box: [/b][/quote]
This question has been posed to me many times by athiests and it is actually VERY EASY to answer.

(It think that you are an alias of atomicdogg btw)

Can he create a rock so heavy that he himself can't lift?

The answer is an EMPHATIC....


<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">NO!!</span>

You see, God is all powerful, but he cannot do the ILLOGICAL. You see the illogical doesn't exist. Illogical means that it can make no sense. The concept of a rock which an all powerful person cannot lift....is ILLOGICAL. It's a contradiction,an oxy moron and so on and so forth.

It's basically just a stupid question!

God cannot do the illogical, because the illogical is simply a contradiction with the absence of sense. The illogical can never exist.

As such God CANNOT create another God like himself because by virtue of that God being created, he wouldn't be like the uncreated one. Etc...etc...etc..

That is the SIMPLE answer to your STUPID question.


The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sly: Here is a logic one for you.

God can do everything right?

Can he create a rock so heavy that he himself can't lift?

If he can create that rock, then he can't lift the rock, therefore there is something God can't do.

If he can't create that rock, then again God can't do everything.

What can we learn from this? Some suggest it proves the concept of God is not logical.

The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!!!!
:box: [/b][/quote]
This question has been posed to me many times by athiests and it is actually VERY EASY to answer.

(It think that you are an alias of atomicdogg btw)

Can he create a rock so heavy that he himself can't lift?

The answer is an EMPHATIC....


<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">NO!!</span>

You see, God is all powerful, but he cannot do the ILLOGICAL. You see the illogical doesn't exist. Illogical means that it can make no sense. The concept of a rock which an all powerful person cannot lift....is ILLOGICAL. It's a contradiction,an oxy moron and so on and so forth.

It's basically just a stupid question!

God cannot do the illogical, because the illogical is simply a contradiction with the absence of sense. The illogical can never exist.

As such God CANNOT create another God like himself because by virtue of that God being created, he wouldn't be like the uncreated one. Etc...etc...etc..

That is the SIMPLE answer to your STUPID question.


The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
As illogical as a virgin giving birth?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> You did...he/she/it was simply called different names. All Gods are One, and all that rot. Christianity also appropriated many pagan holidays and called them something else, like Easter, All Saints Day and Christmas.

That's the easiest way to convert people, is to take something they are used to celebrating already, and renaming it.
-M [/b][/quote]
wtf?

greeks didnt believe in one God, they had a whole system of gods

many other cultures as well, would you say that its all the same thing even though their main scriptures, writings etc are different from "gods word" the bible [/b][/quote]
:wacko: .... Zeus

For even though there are those who are called "gods" whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many gods and lords , there is actually one true God the Father, out of whom all things are. (1 Corinthians 8:5) [/b][/quote]
yes, christians would OF COURSE write this later in their scripture, it makes all past things go along with what they are saying

id like to see an ancient GREEK, or ROMAN, or EGYPTIAN, etc etc scripture that says as much

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
(It think that you are an alias of atomicdogg btw)
[/b][/quote]
to any mod here

tell this fool what time it is

i have no aliases

 

dinosaurs are dated as old as like 50 million years old

yet the earth is only like 20K years

its true, they lived in rocket ships that were in orbit around saturn

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
(It think that you are an alias of atomicdogg btw)
[/b][/quote]
to any mod here

tell this fool what time it is

i have no aliases [/b][/quote]
HAHAHAHA

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> i would like to hear more about how God just exists, didnt come from anywhere, just is [/b][/quote]
Because there HAS to be something that fits that description for there to be anything at all. Time as we know it is a part of our universe (space-time continuum), we quickly see the universe & nothing in it fits that description because it changes & is affected as time passes. So whatever it is exists independent of time (and created time if you're a believer).

To look at it another way, we know it's not anything in the universe because we can point to a present moment in time, the present or NOW. By the mere fact that we have a starting point (the now) we've already shown that the universe hasn't always been here. If the universe has always been here that would mean we can regress backwards to infinity (because we had to traverse all the previous time to get to the present) but we know this is impossible just like it's impossible to start counting and count to infinity. If you have a starting point it's impossible to get there. So whatever you want to call that initial, first, timeless constant, it has to exist. [/b][/quote]
so its logical to you that there is something/being out there that has existed since the beginning of.... well existance, time, etc etc?

so its illogical for something to spring out of nothing yet its totally logic for some being to just have been here all along, didnt come from anything or anywhere, was just here??

that doesnt make any sense at all to me

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sly: Here is a logic one for you.

God can do everything right?

Can he create a rock so heavy that he himself can't lift?

If he can create that rock, then he can't lift the rock, therefore there is something God can't do.

If he can't create that rock, then again God can't do everything.

What can we learn from this? Some suggest it proves the concept of God is not logical.

The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!!!!
:box: [/b][/quote]
This question has been posed to me many times by athiests and it is actually VERY EASY to answer.

(It think that you are an alias of atomicdogg btw)

Can he create a rock so heavy that he himself can't lift?

The answer is an EMPHATIC....


<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">NO!!</span>

You see, God is all powerful, but he cannot do the ILLOGICAL. You see the illogical doesn't exist. Illogical means that it can make no sense. The concept of a rock which an all powerful person cannot lift....is ILLOGICAL. It's a contradiction,an oxy moron and so on and so forth.

It's basically just a stupid question!

God cannot do the illogical, because the illogical is simply a contradiction with the absence of sense. The illogical can never exist.

As such God CANNOT create another God like himself because by virtue of that God being created, he wouldn't be like the uncreated one. Etc...etc...etc..

That is the SIMPLE answer to your STUPID question.


The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
So you stating that God is bounded by the law of logic?
HAHA

Your God doesn't sound too all powerful. You agreed that there are things he cannot do. My point exactly. Therefore, the concept of God being able to do everything is false. Supposively, God created everything, including all laws of the universe and beyond, which includes the law of logic. If God is bounded by his own creation, that in itself is a contradiction to his being. Do you see why the concept of God has to be illogical?

If you still are blind to this, I can't save you GodBoy!!!

The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sly: Here is a logic one for you.

God can do everything right?

Can he create a rock so heavy that he himself can't lift?

If he can create that rock, then he can't lift the rock, therefore there is something God can't do.

If he can't create that rock, then again God can't do everything.

What can we learn from this? Some suggest it proves the concept of God is not logical.

The Great Juggernaut has spoken!!!!!!
:box: [/b][/quote]
This question has been posed to me many times by athiests and it is actually VERY EASY to answer.

(It think that you are an alias of atomicdogg btw)

Can he create a rock so heavy that he himself can't lift?

The answer is an EMPHATIC....


<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">NO!!</span>

You see, God is all powerful, but he cannot do the ILLOGICAL. You see the illogical doesn't exist. Illogical means that it can make no sense. The concept of a rock which an all powerful person cannot lift....is ILLOGICAL. It's a contradiction,an oxy moron and so on and so forth.

It's basically just a stupid question!

God cannot do the illogical, because the illogical is simply a contradiction with the absence of sense. The illogical can never exist.

As such God CANNOT create another God like himself because by virtue of that God being created, he wouldn't be like the uncreated one. Etc...etc...etc..

That is the SIMPLE answer to your STUPID question.


The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
So you stating that God is bounded by the law of logic?
HAHA

Your God doesn't sound too all powerful. [/b][/quote]
i already know slys reply:

"shane mosley sucks"