Donaire returns

Were you listening to harold melvin and the blue notes?

 

Claims such as "they don't know anything about boxing since they have never boxed" mean shit unless you can point out what errors they make because of that

 

'People who watch multiple hours of a sport every week for decades and decades don't know shit about it'. Aye.

 

I will not say 'ruined' Nonito, but obviously took his confidence out of the fight game. Nonito seemed tentative, too respectful of Ratface, like his heart was no longer in the fight. That defeat did took its toll on Donaire.

 

Yeah after the Gondo fight, Donaire was probably thinking "Did I imagined this or did this really happened?".

 

The Clogg already called this, you should all listen to him since he know the game and have several cars. Donaire will never look good against a guy who makes him lead the dance. That be the case before Rigondeax and he'll still beat them all unless their name is Rigondeaux.

 

That's the problem with Donaire though Hut. When asked to lead, his overall effectiveness is diminished to a ridiculous degree. Which makes him quite a limited fighter really.

 

:hammert:

 

But if you have a handful of amateur fights 100 years ago and nobody knows who the fuck you are in spite of that fact, you are an EXPERT

 

The same could be said of many, many guys... especially counterpunchers... Toney looked like BASURA against every guy he ever fought that made him lead... Harold Johnson lost a decision to Willie Pastrano because Pastrano danced away and flicked jabs all night... Sal Sanchez had tremendous difficulty with Pat Ford and Pat Cowdell

Styles... Donaire has lost basically one fight because of this "limitation"... And he lost it to a brilliant boxer... Regardless of the scoring, last night's fight was a close, debatable fight (I had it dead even on the cards and I think people were giving Darch extra credit because they didn't EXPECT him to be careful like that... I did... That was why I picked it to go some rounds -- I expected a KO10) ... The fact of the matter is that no one except an absolute ace technician in Rigondeaux has actually WON a fight against Donaire by making him lead... They've survived (some of them) ... Others have lasted some rounds before getting plastered

If a limitation leads to only one defeat and the defeat comes against a master boxer, it's not much of a limitation in my eyes

 

Just caught up on these fights...Nonito got the job done when it was asked of him, because he was behind on my scorecard. Garcia looked good after that shock KD. Picked his shots nicely against a tough guy with a solid chin. That body shot to end it was a peach...Oooo la la.

 

Good post. I still think it's something he needs to work on though. Obviously he had to respect Vic's power, but when you're the bigger guy and bigger puncher you have to take the lead at times. I'm not sure if it's opponent selection or gym training, but if he expect to turn the tables on Rigo he needs to address it now.

 

Kinda like James Toney. The kinda guy you can avoid for 36 minutes and win a decision against but you aren't ever gonna beat him.

 

Fuck sake. Stop expressing my opinions much more eloquently you bam. ::

 

The Clogg is handsome and catholic.

 

Hi Doggles. Yeah those are fair points. I would say Donaire is a particularly strong example of that though, perhaps even more than Toney?

Your last point would stand true if he had fought better competition. I would imagine if he had fought the kind of competition guys like Pacquiao and Marquez have fought in their careers, he'd have a significant amount of losses, more than they have.

I've always liked Donaire and he's a very good fighter, but despite sometimes looking absolutely dynamite, I think he's the kind of guy that is surprisingly easy to beat if you know how to fight him.

 

This post is up there with the "three stooges" one :clapagain:

 

Cdogg do you mean Pat Cowdell or Pat Ford?

 

True. Being shit going forward is as important as being shit going backwards.

 

Thanks, Brother Hay

 

I meant both

Sanchez had a tough time with each of them

 

I don't really see how... Who exactly? Which opponents?

 

Cowdell said that when Sanchez landed a jab, he could feel Sanchez knuckles sink into him. That's not an assertion of cheating, just an assertion that Sanchez was a hard, perfect puncher.

 

Yeah, he had brilliant timing and accuracy... great fighter to watch... lots of replay value

 

Donaire vs Sal Sanchez, what a fun ass whuppin that would have been.

 

Difficult fight for both... a lot of nothing happening in that fight

 

Yup, allot of looking and waiting in that one

 

Andrade did what he do, but lacked the explosiveness he's shown in the past. He fits right in at the top of the division, but I'd say he's more Andre Dirrell than p4p elite.

Donaire/Vic was sort of like RJJ/Montell 1. The underdog was getting a lot done, the favorite was having a bad night, and the class ended the night. Very important win for Donaire and probably helps him stay at the top whereas a loss might have ruined him. Vic might have gained a lot of confidence from a loss like that, especially when the cards had him winning.

Mikey is just a superb fighter.

 

worrrrd

 

Please. Sanchez would beat the shit outta Donaire. He had far more actual SKILLS than Donaire, he had endless stamina, was tougher, and had a higher ring IQ. Does anybody think Donaire could beat even a green Azumah Nelson? I sure as shit don't think so! My God, big ears is overrated.