DONAIRE vs. RIGONDEAUX - FINAL PICKS

Rigondeaux is certainly economical with his punches (almost an euphemism) but at least, when he lands, he lands telling blows, not potshots.

 

could be right.especially considering donaire's chance to win was always by knock out.

 

yep, both are awful and Roy Jones bias is starting to grow out of countrol too. Lederman seems like he was put on air as some kind of joke or dare, it's beyond retarded that he's still there after all these years. And who remebers the Aks Harold segment they used to do :doh::doh:

 

REED Can't Say he Saw Rigondeaux Coming Close to "Running" UNTIL he Got Dropped, Bro...He Circled and Re-Positioned Himself Quite a Bit, but for the Most Part he was FLAT FOOTED, in Front of Donaire...Especially EARLY in the Fight...

1nce he Built Up an Insurmountable (ie., Unless he Got KO'ed) Lead, Sure he Played it Safer...But he was Never Flat Out RUNNING Until After he Got Dropped in Round 10...




REEDhno:

 

Nah...

How Bout Placing Blame on Nonito for NEVER Going for Broke, Aside from Round 10???:dunno:...Actually, he TRIED to Go for Broke in the 12th, but QUICKLY Realized that'd Get him KO'ed...His Eye Got Fucked Up & he Decided to Play it SAFE Until the Final Bell...

By Round 5 or 6, the Onus was On Nonito to FORCE the Fight, but he DIDN'T...Why???...Because he was WARY of the Incoming....



REED:mj:

 

THIS!!!....

Rigondeaux would Almost INSTANTLY Respond to ANY Flushly Landed Shots he Absorbed...REED's Not Really Getting the Complaints...



REED:hammert:

 

Are you Still Wondering why a Guy w/11 (Now 12) Fights is Thought Soooo HIGHLY Of???...




REED:dancingBaby:

 

Not that I care if/when it happens never like Juanma...but that could happen...and it would be hilarious.

 

Yep...

He's NOT Playing Hit & Run, he's Bringing HEAT!!!...



REED:up:

 

Still BITTER about Ruiz's EMBARRASSING Loss to Roy, Huh???...



REED:Thumbs:

 

JuanMa has No Chin OR Defense, Bro...He's NOT Beating Rigondeaux...




REED:nono:

 

and his slow...of..hands, feet, brain...but he can still punch and maybe Rigon might still be riding high of the Donaire domination..and Juanma catches him sleeping. Rigon clearly fights to the level of his opponents...one or two fights ago he got hurt multiple times by some average joe...last nite Donaire couldn't touch him.

 

Post-divorce JuanMa beats Rigondeaux if he gets a referee without "gambling problems"

 

I think it's pretty much always on the guy who's losing to turn a chess match into an exciting fight.

 

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Absolutely...

Round 1 was VERY Hard Fought, at CLOSE Range, by BOTH Guys...Rigondeaux Got the BETTER of it...On 1 Hand, Nonito Showed a STOUT Chin, but @ the Same Time, he Showed a Clear RELUCTANCE to Go for Broke, After Tasting the Incoming...

5, 6 or 7 Rounds LATER, he NEEDED a KO to Win the Fight, yet Still WOULDN'T Go for Broke, Aside from BRIEFLY Trying to Follow up the Knockdown & the BEGINNING of Round 12...Nonetheless, Rigondeaux QUICKLY Regained & Re-ASSERTED his Advantage, in Both Instances....

REED Doesn't See How ANYBODY, who's Actually WATCHED Nonito Donaire Over the Last Few Years, Could Be BORED or LESS than Entertained by what Rigondeaux Did to him Saturday Night...Rigondeaux Made a YOUNGER, BIGGER, STRONGER, yet SKILLFUL Fighter Look like a Fucking Borderline JOURNEYMAN...



REED:shadow:

 

Because that's almost the only time he responded. Never landed more then 13 punches before the final round. I don't know why I'm the only one annoyed by this and I'm certainly not absolving Donaire of any blame. He got outclassed and should have tried to bully Rigo a lot more to slow him down, whether it's in his nature or not. It's called making an adjustment. He figured that out for about 30 seconds in the 10th round, got hit by a counter eventually and stopped.

Rigo is better. Truthfully, I wanted to see more out of him then to coast by with an amateur style win.

I certainly don't rate this above Floyd's dismantling of Corrales. Corrales was a murderous puncher to, but Floyd was confidant enough in his abilities at the time to put a destruction on him while putting himself in vulnerable positions every once in awhile, and finished him off.

 

REED Actually AGREES that Floyd's Win Over Corrales was MORE Impressive...For Whatever Reason, REED was MORE Confident in Rigondeaux Beating Donaire, in FACT, REED PICKED Corrales to Beat Floyd....

But Having Said That, REED Recalls Floyd Being ALOT More Mobile (from Finish to End) than Rigondeaux was, vs. Donaire....





REED:hammert:

 

Don't know, Floyd may have been more mobile, but according to Compubox he landed 220 punches in about 7 rounds against a dangerous opponent. Rigo landed 138 in 12 rounds, so Floyd was stopping to set and try to actually land punches at nearly three times the rate of Rigondeaux against Donaire. Meanwhile Floyd also avoided Diego's shot's, limiting him to about 6 connects a round while throwing about 50 more punches then Rigo in 5 less rounds.

Yeah, I know. Different style opponents, Donaire more mobile then Corrales, blah, blah...................but let's not get carried away. I like Donaire a lot, I think he's real good, I think Rigo is the perfect foil for his style. I think it's a match-up issue more then Rigo being the second coming of anybody. Rigo is a spoiler.

I did not consider him "a joy to watch".................and Kellerman can go suck a bag of dicks.

 

Rigondeaux Is More of a COASTER than a "Spoiler"...He TRIES to Get Guys OUT of there EARLY...If/When that Tact DOESN'T Prevail, he Admittedly Morphs Into a SAFER Mode...But All the While, the OVERLYING Theme is, the Opponent is RELUCTANT to Open Up on Rigondeaux...

You're COMPLETELY Overlooking this Point, Bro....

Despite your Reliance on Punchstats, REED Thinks Rigondeaux COMMITS to his Left Cross Waaaaaaaaaaaaay MORE than Floyd Commits to ANY Single Shot in his Arsenal...

Did You PICK Rigondeaux by Unanimous Decision, or Something???...

 

Id probably pick that average joe (Marroquin) over Lopez at this point.

 

corrales got stopped in the 10th round vs mayweather jr, not the 7th. and if donaire had been walking into punches aimlessly all night against rigondeaux he wouldnt have made it past the midway point of the fight. i dont think the mobility of donaire was the difference but he was certainly more defensively conscious than corrales and far more reluctant to put pressure. i dont understand your comparison at all.

also dont understand how you or anyone else can claim to be a fan of donaires but then dislike rigondeaux. donaire is not really an entertaining fighter, which fights of his did you enjoy? he had some good KOs vs midgets, sure. but those same guys get thrashed by rigondeaux in entertaining fashion as well.

 

I agree.

 

Fair enough.

Some dipshit was trying to say Rigondeaux was fighting like a pro and not an am. His style is a top-notch Cuban am style. It's effective in the pros because it's effective in the ams.

And 6-3 margins in the ams and pros equate to wins if the judges are doing their jobs correctly.

 

The criticism against Rigondeaux fails to recognize how good and how dangerous Donaire is.

The complaints about Rigondeaux might recognize it, but still wish for more. That's fine. However, guys like Roy, Floyd, and Rigondeaux know that winning is the most important thing.
When you are as good as these guys, a safe, 'boring' fight just becomes one of the aspects of your resume.
Rigondeaux will have his blowout impressive ko wins, too, and those will be the clips that get televised before his fights, along with a two second clip of painting someone like Donaire without getting hit in return.

 

You're right, it was the 10th. I clicked on some article and it mentioned a 7th round stoppage for some reason and my memory basically sucks for stuff like that anyways.

Still, Floyd was still much more active against a dangerous opponent. When you throw punches you also make yourself vulnerable. I think Donaire is a more aesthetically pleasing figher, that's all. Doesn't mean I think he's better, especially against Rigo, but I don't think that Rigo destroys everybody Donaire has faced, better then Donaire did either. Donaire may not be the most active fighter either but he does engage when the other fighter engages, he doesn't automatically tie up when he's stuck inside, and he doesn't take throw one or two pot-shots and then circle back out of range for the next 10-20 seconds of the fight. He's basically a patient stalker. Like Rocky Juarez but obviously better then that walking statue.

Lederman and even Garcia yelling at Donaire to throw combinations was a bit mind-numbing. It's hard to throw combinations at a guy when he bounces 6 feet outside your reach the moment there is any sort of an exchange.

I also watch Auto Racing for the car crashes alone..........because I'm a human being and it's visually pleasing to me. It's a visceral experience. I enjoy the violence. I have no stake in simply watching cars chase each other around in a circle.

 

Well in the pros, the actual quality of the punches count for much more then the number crunching in the Ammys. A 6 to 3 punch margin could obviously be a win for the guy with 3 neck snapping punches against the guy with a 6 punch shoe-shine.

That's not the case in this fight. I don't think Donaire won more then 2 or 3 rounds either, being generous.............and I was rooting for him.

I do agree with your assessment of his fighting style.

 

That's mental. As you know I was pulling for Nonito, but I can't see him winning more than 2 rounds. It was basically a whitewash.

 

Agreed. Fought like a bitch, truth be told. Only made one effort in the entire fight to really try and turn things around.

Nothing wrong with Gondo's performance at all, he was economical and efficient, but didn't run, and always answered fire with fire.

 

well i musta missed it if you are implying rigondeaux tied donaire up inside. he didnt hold at all that i can recall.