Drugs?/ Well-matched?/ Both?

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  1. Dog Jones

    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir
     
  2. Destruction and Mayhem

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    He hasn't fought any slick counterpunching african americans.
     
  3. *Z*

    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Who are these guys? Give us some examples of guys he can or could have fought that fit this description.
     
  4. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    It's not that. It's just that has bigger opponents have all been fabulous style matchups for him... other than maybe Clottey, who is great at losing.
     
  5. *Z*

    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Before he fought any of these guys, how many of us would have picked Pac to beat Oscar, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley and Clottey?

    Oscar was big favorite, and most people here including myself picked Oscar to destroy Manny.
     
  6. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    Absolutely.

    Most of us have picked him to win every fight since Oscar, however. As I said, I still consider it a remarkable run.
     
  7. *Z*

    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Me too, and I don't think people in here give him enough credit. He's a friggin midget. Marquez was even bigger than him.
     
  8. loadedgloves

    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    For starters, he ducked the Marquez rubbermatch at a lower weight.

    then he fought

    David Diaz... nuff said

    the corpse of Oscar De La Hoya

    Hatton AFTER Floyd had already KO'd and who had trouble making weight

    Cotto AFTER taking a career-altering plaster-fisted beating at the hands of Margarito

    Joshua Clottey - BANG!! BANG!! BANG!! a "dangerous welterweight" according to the craziest nuthuggers on here, happy to stand around and lose without a fuss

    Margarito - AFTER the plaster scandal and getting beat down by Shane

    Mosley - AFTER Floyd kicked his ass (before that, recall that Roach said they would only fight Shane at a catchweight of 142)

    His post 130 run is a marketing scam targeted at fanboys who don't know better or who don't want to know better.

    Timing is everything with Manny Pacquiao. They tried it again by waiting several years and weight divisions to see JMM a third time, but it backfired on them this time.

    The guy is a fucking fraud. His fanboys are making excuses for him now, but the bottom line is that he isn't remotely in the same class as Floyd Mayweather, never has been, and never will be.
     
  9. Pascals Wager

    Pascals Wager Undisputed Champion

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    So on the question of
    Drugs?/ Well-matched?/ Both?
    I'll put you down for ...Both?

     
  10. loadedgloves

    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    yup
     
  11. Pascals Wager

    Pascals Wager Undisputed Champion

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    Do you think that Marquez was also on drugs in their last fight?
     
  12. loadedgloves

    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    most likely yeah
     
  13. cdogg187

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    I'm pretty much with loadedgloves... not as extreme, but I think Pacquiao is fucking crazily overrated past 130... Fuckers like Sly saying he'd go tooth and nail with Ray Leonard, for fuck's sake... That is ridiculous... In fairness, it's equally repugnant to call Mayweather some welterweight legend considering he's been fighting a lot of the same guys... but I'm more convinced of Floyd the welterweight than Manny the welterweight

    For the purposes of Pascals question, I'd be in the "Both" category for this one... I think anyone who thinks Marquez wasn't on some shiny new drugs for saturday night is nuts
     
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    mexican wedding shirt The Greatest of Are Times

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    I'm not.

    Floyd has only fought 2 legit welterweights, Baldomir and Mosley. And Oscar at 154. This is in the HALF A DECADE he's been fighting at WW :lol:

    Cotto is better than any welterweight Floyd has beaten, and Manny beat the crap out of him.

    I think they would both get beaten clearly at 147 by Duran/Leonard, but I also think they're good enough to at least put up a decent fight against any WW in history apart from Hearns, who is stylistically horrible for pretty much any small welterweight.
     

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