Duran vs Pacquiao at 147lbs

I'm sure Duran would have gotten in top shape to fight Manny. The admiration Manny has certainly would have gotten under his skin the same way Leonard's did.

 

whatever, Molson's

 

The Duran that beat Leonard knocks out Pacquiao in 10.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_gmZn9YlXs

 

Now the bolo and he CAUGHT HIM WITH THE LEFT

:bears:

 

You've posted this shite before. It's 90s of Ray running away and show boating and landing about 2 punches in the whole time. It's anti-boxing facilitated by 24 foot clown rings and thick-air stink.

 

The footage is more humiliating from a Leonard perspective than Duran's. The guys making a complete fanny of himself.

 

I dont know about that, mate ::

 

Somebody doing a funky chicken dance, running away from his man round a custom made oversized clown ring he built so he could avoid a fight. While not even throwing anything never mind landing it. Fucking masterful:bears:

 

I wouldnt call it impressive, but what Duran did next was, truth be told, pretty disgusting. Maybe youd feel differently if youd shelled out for a ringside ticket? You cant tell me the guy deserved his purse.

 

No less than Leonard does. The fight was a farce of Leonard's design, not Duran's. It's like putting all the blame on a wife who snaps and kills her abusive husband.....is the act wrong? yes. but you have to willfully chop off most the chain of causality to completely blame her.

 

This fight actually makes me angry :: It's such an injustice the way history views the farce of it

 

The ring doesn't look particularly big and Leonard doesn't even use that much of it. Normal moving by him and Duran is reduced to a clueless plodding quitter

 

opcorn:

 

Yeah, it's a normal sized ring

 

Duran is overrated.

 

He's easily a top 10, perhap top 5 all-time guy...are you suggesting he's let's say...20th?

We all know you rate him much lower than Floyd.

The question is...how many spots ahead of Duran is Floyd in your book?

 

Duran is a Top 10 guy, IMO.

To say Top 5 is overrating him.

Who do i rate above him you ask?

Ali
Robinson
Jones
Armstrong
Pacquiao
Mayweather

To name but 6.

 

I know what you're trying to do and i won't work. You are completely powerless to hurt me. You see, words are like bullets....opcorn:

 

You can make a case for Pacquiao but not Floyd in the top ten.

Seriously...I could go with Floyd MAYBE top 20 at best. That's being kind. Even with a victory over Pac doesn't overcome titles from 112 - 147

 

Gimme TEN fighters in history that you rate above Floyd in terms of proven ability.

One thing I know about you Muzse, more than anyone else here...you know ABILITY (you were wrong about Shane...but no one is perfect).

Are you telling me that there are TEN fighters with greater PROVEN ability than Mayweather?

I say proven, because contrary to popular belief...if Floyd's ability was an illusion he would have lost to at least one of the following fighters:

Hernandez
Corrales
Castillo
Judah
De la Hoya
Hatton
Mosley


So which 10 fighters in history, that you've watched video of or whatever...are better fighters than Floyd Mayweather?

 

The problem with that list is that the sure-fire hall of Fame fighters he beat (hernandez, De la Hoya and Mosley) were at the tail end of their careers.

Hatton, Corrales, Castillo and Judah aren't hall of fame material fighters. The biggest problem is you're basing your rating of Mayweather on what you perceive he'd do against certain guys. With Pacquaio, what he did to Morales (twice) and Barrera (especially the first time) out weigh any of Floyd's wins simply because at the time he fought them those guys were in their prime years. Same goes for Marquez.

Pac fought those guys at their best in their prime years and all are first ballot hall of fame fighters...rated with the best Mexico has ever had.

Floyd doesn't have the ledger Leonard has and I see he's listed below Floyd...by any standard that within itself is ridiculous...and I hate leonard more than I've ever hated Floyd.

 

I can see someone rating Leonard above Floyd...but not with your criteria which is just based upon HOF fighters beaten. Floyd has achieved six titles in six divisions with at least 4 being linear and he defeated the undefeated linear champion of one of the other two divisions (hatton). His achievements speak for themselves. Also you can't deny how good he is.

 

Yeah but Victor Ortiz was Floyd's Duran. And a 39 year old Mosley was his Hagler. And a welterweight Hatton was his Benitez. It's all the same thing, man.

 

Nah, Hatton was Floyd's Duran, De La Hoya was Floyd's Hagler, Corrales was his Hearns...get it right m'man!

Those names are comparable with Leonard's names....IN ITS PROPER CONTEXT...the context being that Floyd was just as daring in his relative matchmaking concerning his peers as Leonard was.

Obviously Duran etc were greater fighters.

 

A dude can only fight the people that are available tim him. We can't judge him for that.

 

Unless you're saying hatton, De La Hoya and Corrales are of the same stature as Duran, Hagler and Hearns your point is out of context.

And if we're really getting down to it since you love bringing up Hatton...Hatton was linear champ at 140...not 147 where he and Floyd fought.

Hatton was the linear champ at 140 after beating Kosta tszyu...Floyd picked up his title at 140 by beating Gatti.

The point being...no matter how you slice it...competition, talent, record...Floyd is an inferior fighter to Leonard. Period. End of story.

While I'm at it...Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore were damn good fighters as well...Moore had how many KO's? Like 140 or so? Not fights....KO's.

 

Nah Pac might have been Floyd's Duran. Williams might have been his Hearns, Cotto his Benitez. He's fought NONE of the major opponents above 135 the fans were actually demanding he did.

Hatton was fighting Pryor at 147 instead of Benitez, then retiring instead of fighting Hearns at all, to come back and fight Arguello then an old-ass Palomino or some shit after Hearns had moved up. Except not even that good since all the names are scaled down in quality.

The Corrales/Hearns analogy, in the context you make it is fair (but even that demands quite a bit of qualification).

 

So...they fought more times in those days. You have to compare time with time. Floyd's 41 fights is a respectable number in 2011. Leonard, from the 80s, only had about 33.

When Leonard fougth the undefeated Tommy Hearns, as a Welterweight at that moment (his career was still in the early stages), he had about the same relative stature that Corrales had as a Superfeatherweight at the time he fought Mayweather.

If Hearns had more stature OVERALL it's only because WELTERWEIGHT has more stature than Jnr Lightweight.

Duran over Hatton and Marquez...sure. But both Hatton and Marquez were top 3-5 P4P at the time Floyd fought them. So similar accomplishments...era for era.

"And if we're really getting down to it since you love bringing up Hatton...Hatton was linear champ at 140...not 147 where he and Floyd fought."

Last I checked Duran wasn't the Welterweight champ either when Leonard fought him.

 

Willie Pep was pretty good.