Fedor returns Nov 12 against...

I agree, most MMA fighters are very one dimensionnal, good in one aspect of the game and mediocre or average at best in the others. Shields, Sonnen, Lesnar, Shield, Fitch and Okarmi are all top fighters who are as one dimensionnal as they come. Shit, Belfort to me hasn't shown to much improvement over the young phenom who was poised to be the UFC first superstar yet he's having as much success as he ever had.

Silva just got crushed by some up and coming prospect who went the distance with Monson, yet people act as if Fedor lost to Silva because he's simply a better fighter than he ever was

 

Man, this is exactly what I was talking about. I rest my case.

 

That just makes Fedor look even worse.

 

The sad thing is Fedor will continue to keep fighting. My prediction is he wins a UD vs Monson. Then gets a rematch with one of his losses. And loses again. Substitute another very mediocre/less than average fighter for Monson and repeat the sequence a couple times. Then he will be released from Zuffa, and he will return to Japan and fight Mark Hunt. Its gonna get real ugly, and will be a shame.

 

Umm the fact that Fedor got absolutely owned by Silva and then Silva got owned by a prospect actually proves my point. Cormier was able to destroy Silva yet Fedor looked like a fish out of water against him. Thanks.

Oh, and by the way, just for educational purposes, going the distance with Monson isn't really a knock of Cormier. Monson has been able to take guys like Liddell, Forrest Griffin, Tim Sylvia, Josh Barnett, and Pedro Rizzo the distance.

Since all those guys were UFC Champions, the fact that Cormier ALSO went the distance with Monson doesn't seem like much of an indictment to me. In fact, he's in pretty good company.

You guys are really too easy. Next.

 

Just for the record, I'm not saying Fedor was a shit fighter. He was great fighter and he was well ahead of the curve in terms of the skill set he brought to early MMA fights. I was a big fan. But I'm objective.

And anyone that denies his record was padded with absolute scrubs is fooling themselves.

And that's my only point. Don't compare Fedor's run with the runs of GSP or Silva. They don't have the luxury of taking years at a time away from fighting the top contenders. Fedor did.

If you want to argue those points, you're not being honest.

 

His record is padded with scrubs, but in his prime he would smashed the likes of Bigfoot.

He was so much more explosive and faster. This version of Fedor is becoming more akin to his appearance ::

 

After watching Big Foot last night, I probably wouldn't disagree with you. His enormous chin looked like glass.

 

The funny thing is people act like there isn't a difference between Chael Sonnnen "one dimensional" and Mark Coleman one dimensional.

Chael Sonnen can box, and he can wrestle....that's a pretty good MMA fighter anyway you slice it.

Much better than the likes of Mark Coleman who has no conyoditioning, equally bad submission grappling and comically bad striking..even worse than Lesnar's. Lesnar at least can dish it out.

Or Randleman, a bad striker who can wrestle but has the worst submission grappling on any top 10 fighter ever....probably at least AS bad if not worse than the likes of Rogers and Hunt.

 

The fact that you HAVE to explain that is exactly why I didn't. ::

Again, of course fighters today still have their base disciplines but they now understand the importance of being well-rounded. That's the difference.

 

No, according to some here Bigfoot is too well rounded and would defeat the limited Fedor on any given night. He's a new breed of superior MMA fighter.

 

And how old was Monson when he fought Cormier compared to these other guy's ??? A big time prospect should have torn apart that version of Monson imo. Maybe Cormier proves me wrong, and he certainly made a step in the right direction with this win, but I'm not sold on him being the next best thing.


And no, it's not a knock on Fedor that he wasn't able to beat Silva and that a prospect could. It just shows the effect of age and wear and tear on a fighter. Just like Ali's loss to a novice Spinks, a fighter that was blown out numerous time, only showed that he wasn't a shell of what he used to. The only thing easy in here should be, as a so called long time boxing and MMA fan, to see that age affect different fighters differently and that a prime Fedor was way ahead of guy's like Werdum, Hendrson or BigFoot SIlva

 

Randleman was much more dangerous than Sonnen on his feet. Much, much more

 

The bottom line is that Monson hasn't been stopped in over 5 years which includes 25 fights against the likes of Barnett, Rizzo, Roy Nelson and freaking Kharitonov 2 years ago.

It's not like Monson has become some weaked-chin, shot fighter recently that a prospect SHOULD be expected to stop inside the distance. He is and always has been a relatively sturdy fighter.

Again, kind of funny, even Monson in the later stages of his career hasn't declined like Fedor. And Fedor is 6 years younger than Monson.

The bottom line is Fedor is an almost even split of being overrated and over the hill. It's not all about age.

What's even funnier is that I think Monson might be a better fighter RIGHT NOW than anyone Fedor has beaten since Cro Cop in 2005. Maybe, but I've never thought much of a HW version of Lindland or a chinny Arlovski.

 

Having more power doesn't mean shit. Randleman landed a fluke KO over Cro Cop(who was also knocked silly by Gonzaga, so really take it for what's it's worth) and that's about it.

Randleman perenially was an absolute sitting duck on the feet and usually got beat up and knocked out.

Sonnen is very solid technically, moves his head and has an iron chin and can hang around long enough with anyone on the feet long enough for him to get a takedown. Don't be ridiculous.

 

Fedor was the best heavyweight around during that time period.

MMA is a very fast evoling sport, you guys make mention that a lot of the heavyweights on his resume would get rolled by todays heavyweights but thats because there were just no guys that skilled period

You had guys who were really good at striking, or really good wrestlers, or really good BJJ guys. In this day and age pretty much every fighter trains all of the above skills and are pretty decent at them.

Fedor at his peak whatever that was couldnt hang with the guys we have now because they are just far too well rounded, this isnt a knock on him at all he just didnt evolve and had no need to.

Now hes a very very small heavyweight who has an average skill set compared to todays fighters. That takes nothing away from all of his previous accomplishments

 

100% agree. Well-said

 

Which guys? Shane Carwin? Brock Lesnar? Cain Velasquez? Is Cain Velazques a prime example of an evolved, well-rounded MMA fighter? Shane Carwin too?

 

Yes.

 

Ok well, I'll gladly eat my crow if Cain keeps on top of the division for long. That's until someone else, much more well-rounded, comes and takes his place.

 

Cormier impressed the shit out of me, I was impressed by the way he beat the shit out of Monson, but I wasn't going overboard, it was just monson, but now he's destroyed a legit top 10 HW. Color me impressed. This guy is beating guys with striking, he hasn't even had to use his best weapon.

I really don't know if Barnett can beat Cormier.

 

In all honestly carwin probably is, valasquez is for sure

brock clearly isnt as well rounded by im almost positive he would win based on his size alone, anyone who knows me knows ive been saying that even before fedors recent losing streak

 

Don't be thick. Cain could lose to JDS and it wouldn't mean he isn't more well-rounded than Fedor EVER was. The problem is that JDS is also a relatively well-rounded fighter with great take down defense and the best boxing in the division.

 

JDS is very well rounded, at least as much as Cain IMO. He has very good boxing for MMA, and is solid in all other areas. Just look at his fight with Carwin, perfect performance, Carwin stood no chance, got dominated.

 

Carwin is fairly well rounded. Above average wrestling, good power, competent submission grappling. His problem is his fitness.