Felix Trinidad vs GGG 160lbs

key is the wraps. if he is wrapped up nice and heavy like in the joppy fight, there's no telling how far he goes. now, his hand-speed certainly takes a hit. but as papa trinidad figured out, it is more than worth it to be able to knock someone down with an open-handed arm punch the way tito did joppy.

 

Why wouln't I've watched Joppy-Eastman :NotThink::dunno:.

Anyways, this is absurd. THe guy was a legit top 3 p4p guy at 154 (a division we all agree shouldn't exist), yet he move up a mere 6 pounds, and now he magically can't even beat average as fuck fighter like Roldan, Antuofermo and Minter

 

Did you think he looked faster against Hopkins than Reid, Vargas or Joppy? I thought he was noticeably quicker against Reid and Vargas than Joppy.

 

All four... The only one that Trinidad has a shot with is Mugabi and maybe Vito if the cut is bad enough

Minter sticks jabs in his face all night and wins easy and Hamsho outmuscles him

 

Those guys fought before PBF and Bernard Hopkins were around ... Don't you get it?

 

Under what logic would you possibly pick Mugabi over Tito? Is it the same 80's logic that would have you favor a frail cookie like Curry to beat him as well?

Minter gets busted up and stopped like in his dozen or so losses. Hamsho eats flush punches til he gets hurt and stopped. And Vito... Poor, poor little Vito...

 

By the logic that John Mugabi was a strong guy and a fantastic puncher whose image is comprehensively warped among ignoramuses by his entire post-Hagler career

By what logic does Felix Trinidad suddenly become a middleweight who betters or equals the wins of Marvin Hagler?

 

Oh ok. He was strong and he could punch... Ok.

Trinidad is quite simply a much better fighter than those guys. I agree he was diminished as a mw, but not Mustafa Hamsho diminished. If Hamsho, Minter and Antuofermo were the mw title holders when Tito got there he would've been undisputed champ. The fights are a lot more dangerous for him than they were for Hagler, especially if you're talking about fighting all of them. But he's the obvious pick.

 

I don't see how he's the obvious pick... His two fights at Middleweight pre-retirement were knocking out a shitty paper champ who fought the dumbest possible fight imaginable against him and getting fucking whitewashed against the only high quality 160 pounder he faced... What on Earth is there to suggest he was a better middlewieght than any of those guys? All of them fought and beat better middleweights than he did

 

Lol, at Antufuermo beating Tito. The guy was a tough guy, but was bumish besides that. In almost all of his fights the commentators were saying how he was only winning with his will, cause he had close to no skills. His fight against Corro really shows that this notion that the 80's (yeah I know, it was in 79) fighters were miles above the one of today is absurd (Even though I agree that the 80 was a better era overall). But then, boxing has always been littered with persons who absurdly and childishly thinks that the era they grew up in was the best ever (pretty much like how religious persons magically think that the religion they were born in is the only true one).

 

Yeah to be quite honest, Trinidad would've beaten the shit outta Vito.

 

Tito gets underrated a lot

 

He gets underrated because he it beat by Hopkins at middle even though I would argue that Hopkins would have beaten many great welterweights had they tried to challenge him at middleweight. And the Winky fight I don't really count because Tito was done at that point. He looked fat in that fight and no longer had that same sharpness with his counter punching and combinations.... Tito wasn't a middleweight admittedly.

His is best was from 147-154 pre Hopkins.

 

Yes. Minter would be more difficult but Antuofermo and Roldan would be BUTCHERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

A fat Tito Trinidad devouring mofongo between rounds would beat the breaks off of Lemieux, Geale, and Rubio

 

Cdogg talks a bunch of shit when it comes to 80s fighters vs post 80s fighters. Ignore him on such topics.

 

PR and I have plenty of disagreements round these parts but on this he is absolutely spot on. Tito proved zero as a MW. He was a superb, incredibly dangerous 147lb-er and a very capable 154lb-er. He did nothing as a MW. Absolutely nothing.

MTF

 

Aye. Beating Joppy proves a whole lot.

MTF

 

We're not talking about what he did or what these guys did. We're talking about who would win if they fought.

 

Interesting how Antuofermo was not in fact, butchered, in his prime by better middleweights than Trinidad, including one who was so much better that any comparison is laughable yet he is expected to get butchered by Trinidad because... well because... because what exactly? Not having a nice technique? Being white?

 

and basing "who would win" on nothing, apparently

 

But those guys lost to Marvin Hagler, man... Obviously they would do even worse against Trinidad because they lost and stuff

 

antuofermo was butchered by hagler in the second fight ( unless you want to use the 'get out of jail' card that he was shot, at the sge of 27). And yes being technically deficient is a pretty important factor to consider when making a prediction. Especially when your opponent is a technical marvel who hits like a truck

 

Felix Trinidad is a "technical marvel" ... wow

Yeah, believe it or not, a fighter can be all done at age 27 after more than 50 professional fights in fewer than 9 years

By the time of that rematch, the guy couldn't smile without bleeding... he was done, he retired after the fight and didn't come back until three years later, beats some cans and lost to Matt Hilton and that was that, retired for good

Fighters in the current era seldom reach 50 fights and if they do, it takes a hell of a lot longer than 9 years but keep acting like "27" actually means something with no context behind it

 

It's not just Joppy. It's beating Vargas Specifically and Reid to a less extent. It doesn't have to be at Middleweight to prove he could 'ave some at Middleweight. When Mayweather moved up to fight Castillo you think people were saying "Oh Mayweather's never fought at lightweight before ....ergo...he's gonna get killed?". Don't be an idiot. Same could be said of Hearns when he moved up, Jones when he moved up, Leonard when he moved up, Robinson when he moved up, Duran when he moved up etc etc. History has proven over and over again (let me educate you) that a great smaller fighter can move up and beat mediocre bigger fighters.

So.......in conclusion, I don't want to hear anymore of this nonsense from you.

 

I'm basing it on who the better fighter clearly was.

 

. Dude was not shot in the second hagler fight, he just was in against an elite fighter who was in his prime.

And yes tito was a technical marvel. The way his elbows were always in the perfect technical position when he was punching was incredible. If you never boxed, you might think it is easy, but it is one of the hardest part of boxing, and it is part of the reason why he had such an incredible power. He had some flaws when it came to cutting the ring, but that wouldnt have any impact in a fight against the italian bleeder. Honestly, when you look at them fight, it is obvious that tito was on another level.

 

Agreed a 100%. And the most annoying part is that most of those who have such ridiculous arguments, will also lament that there is way too many weight classes in boxing. Incoherence at its finest

 

When you look at them fight, it appears that practically every single guy Antuofermo beat was on another level than him... Totally meaningless point especially with regard to the middleweight Felix Trinidad who had one win at the weight against a paper champion and then got absolutely fucking embarrassed against the only really good middleweight he faced (I won't even hold the comeback against him)

Dude was definitely at the end of the line in the second Hagler fight... He was clearly a better fighter two years earlier

No, Tito was not a technical marvel, having one aspect of technique down pat does not make one a "technical marvel"... Marvin Hagler was a vastly superior technician to Felix Trinidad... Trinidad had loads of flaws including lead feet, a tendency to throw his hook wide as hell and he was constantly troubled by anyone who turned him or stuck a jab in his face... When he couldn't set his feet to punch, he was in a shitload of trouble... He was a great puncher with tremendous power but so were Cyclone Hart and Bennie Briscoe

All the things I've said about Trinidad were true when he was a Welterweight and a Junior Middleweight, never mind at this weight class where he did very little and is now being predicted to better or equal the wins of one of the top 3 middleweights that ever breathed

The hyperbole is ridiculous

If the guy with the greatest technique always won, Reggie Johnson would've been an all-time great and nobody would know who Naseem Hamed is

 

He wasn't clearly a better middleweight