Felix Trinidad vs Roberto Duran.

I don't get it. :dunno: But why o why do you guys encourage Jaws in his childishness? He has the tendency to spoil boxing related threads in these two forums?

 

Im gonna simplify this shit for everyone again, since I still seem to be the only one on the board who can see the wood for the trees with Tito.

Fact A) Tito's never beaten an A class fighter in his puff or come close. In actuality, DLH's running aside he's been thouroughly schooled for just about every minute of every round he's been in with one. He is in fact probably less skilled than either Davey Moore or Pipino Ceuvas, who Duran ran smoke circles round and completely embarresed. What Tito had was power, which (much like hand speed) will alow you to look devastating against B class fighters and below but which will never alow you to beat great fighters unless you have the skills and intangebales to go with it. Fact B) Duran, even at 154lb, when motivated was still a GREAT fighter.

Duran beats the bejesus out of him and has a rare old time doing it. Duran KO 11.

 

Probably not. Punching technique, timing, accuracy, ability to shorten punches and punch in small space, all that requires skill and Tito did all that very well

 

...thats pretty much all he did well though, isnt it. We could list the other 350 skills a boxer needs and come up with about 348 things he didn't do very well. His skill level was decent, but no certainly better than Cuevas or Moore (or Vargas or Reid as we saw), probably a bit worse.

Hes the most overrated fighter of the last 25 years, TBH, and I like the guy.

 

Against average opposition, though.

 

I don't know. "Secretariat" was pretty funny. It's the perfect response to one of your stupid threads. You don't research your posts, or give them any deep thought. When you see a fantasy matchup with Duran, you immediately decide that Duran's going to lose, and start thinking up ways to prove your case. Making horse jokes after each of your posts simply shows how no one holds you in good regard.

 

Only you and Jaws do horse jokes, and that tells you alot about yourself that you can be in an exclusive group with Jaws. :: Oh and since when were you known for making an intelligent contribution to these forums? I'm 10 times the poster that you are, cripple.

 

As long as you keep getting upset at horse jokes, there'll always be someone making them.

 

Be my guest if you want to continue embarrasing yourself. That nonsense doesn't bother me personally but it hurts the boxing related forums. Why not keep it in Smacktalk and TAAA? Also...shouldn't you be a little more mature at your age?

 

correction: every post you make attempting to be serious hurts the boxing forums.

If we really wanna keep it serious, eliminate violent nuthugging. Support 5000 claimers, Lassie does::

 

No matter who you pick - and I can see this one going either way - come on, now:

* Vargas had over triple as many Amateur fights as Trinidad did. By the time they fought, Vargas had beaten Ellis, Stephens, Campas, Marquez, Wright, Quartey and Thompson. He was certainly not "inexperienced."

* Reid also had a looong & distinguished Amateur career. He had beaten Vaca, Frazier, Brown, Mullins and most importantly, Boudouani.

* Joppy was at 160, not 154. It's become fashionable to rag on him, but Joppy was no worse than a top-5 middleweight.

* the "illegal hand wraps" are crap, and it's silly to bring it up.

Trinidad also obliterated Waters and Thiam at 154.

Pick Duran, pick Trinny....I can see why folks pick Duran, sure.

But I don't think we need to undersell Trinidad at 154 to do it. The guys Trinidad struggled with or lost to didn't just show some "smarts" or "skills" or "toughness"....they were either using ALOT of extreme/constant movement -- or where flat-out bigger, stronger men at higher weight classes.

Peace.

 

Too much talk about 'amateur'.
'Amateur' is so poor compared to 'Professional' so we can rule that out straight away.

Vargas was in-experienced: 21 fights with 5 against decent opposition doesn't mean you're a seasoned campaigner who knows the entire in's-and-out's of boxing.

Reid: oh come on.....DITTO!

Joppy: probably the archetypal boxing 'paper-champion'. Has two claims to fame: beat a 90-year old Roberto Duran and got comically battered by 'Cheato' Trinidad.

Sorry, Donnybrook, but your attempts to overrate Trinidad's opposition is as shaky as my attempts to claim he illegally wrapped his gloves, but not for nothing did Hopkins and his team get that hand-wrapping double-checked before their fight in 2001.

 

:clap: Duran would make Tito look like he was coming in on rails.

 

Duran would literally tear Trinidad a new arsehole.










Like he would most of today's bums.

 

That's probably the only way Duran hasn't broken the rules. After taking Titos low blow he would probably quit

 

is this Duran hate of yours some sort of gimmick or what?

 

It's not really an attempt to overrate his opposition, but to provide more perspective.

I think the fact that these guys beat who they did shows they were not as "inexperienced" as is often tossed about....and that applies to every boxer. Guys that "inexperienced" don't beat the competition they did. Fact is, they had the belts, and had beaten the right 154 lbers to GET THERE....with the possible exception of Wright (and I had Vargas-Wright a draw).

And yes, Pros are very different to Ams - you'll find me arguing that point often. But it can't just be fully discounted and thrown out - especially when their experience there is so vastly superior to that of their opponent (Trinidad).

The Hopkins wrap thing? Dude - PURELY mental, and you know it. Hell, they even had the wrong hand first time around (they were initially complaining about Trinidad's RIGHT hand).

Peace.