Felix Trinidad vs Vernon Forrest.

It's pretty fun slapping 10-15 guys around. Not kayoing Hopkins is not proof of anything. Not being able to make Winky take a single step backward is. Steve is resorted to simple lying in this thread. If Margarito is a cheat, so is Trinidad. He won't even admit that extra gauze gives a guy an advantage. How much an advantage is up for debate, not if...it does and that is a fact. Steve, the proof that Trinidad cheated his whole prime comes from none other than his own trainer. In Margarito's case, his team says his trainer cheated just the one time. The evidence for Trinidad's cheating is even stronger. No one disputes Cheato cheated his entire career. If other commissions had no problem, why did cheato comply "with the letter of the law" only after. You guys are biased and wrong. If you condemn Margarito, cheato also should be condemned. There respective cheating was only a matter of degree and Trindad had undisputedly a longer duration cheating.

Watch the Wright fight. Winky had more problems with J.C Candelo's power than Tito's. It's damning.

 

. He never touched Hopkins. Hopkins is just a better fighter. Taking 8 rounds to stop Mayorga landing flush shots the entire time is. He hit Winky Wright plenty on the gloves and Winky walked right through him. Never once did Winky fight like Cheato could hurt him which is amazing because Tito used to make people run once he hit them anywhere. He made Joppy, a bigger man than Wright, go airborne. Winky blocked Tito like it was nothing. He showed more fear of Shane's power.

 

You don't think Tito averaging less than 5 landed punches a round might have contributed to that a little more?

 

Mayorga had a real good chin, especially if he saw punches coming. Cheriffi got KOd like expected & so did Mayorga in the end. Hopkins & wright just totally outclassed him.

Nobody said Hamed must have stopped loading his gloves when he fought Barrera.....and Nazim alleging Tito put a layer too many of foam gauze in there (then admitting he was just nitpicking as a psychological ploy) doesn't really warrant conclusions with tito either. Landing big shots that guys didn't see coming was the difference

 

Or landing flush shots on a guy who stands in front of him with his hands down by his side.

 

If you see it coming it won't knock you out. Seriously.

 

That's attributable to the absence of the ping-ping effect Trinidad had previously relied on to land follow up shots.

 

Nah, it's attributable to having appalling footwork and angling against a southpaw and getting schooled more one sidedly than in any top level fight I can think of

 

Yeah thats what I getting at.

Mayorga was taking big shots, getting hurt by alot of them, but he was also BRACING himself for them, as opposed to Joppy who had his hands down in front and was caught when he least expected it.

 

But even against odh when he had trouble landing he still managed to rule with fear. Suddenly, the sting had vanished.

The wraps were how Trinidad managed to win fights even as he was being outfoxed. His wraps would freeze his opponents, at which point he could unleash in a taped frenzy.

 

Aye, nae bother. IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

 

:atu:

I really want some of that sticky icky your puffing on.

 

Watch tito unleash his tape on Vargas. Remarkable. He'd devised the perfect delivery system for fists hardened with tape.

Joppy I think represents the height of tito's heist, having given himself away with that display, generating nonhuman sounds and defying physics.

 

Doub, I say this in love - cut down.

 

Interesting views on Tito & the handwraps.
For me, Hut makes the most sense. Tito's decline in power pretty much matched his ascent in weight I think. Even at lower weights he was more of a "one-shot fuck u up" guy than a "one-shot K.O" guy.
He wasn't as powerful post-154, but still had decent power. Joppy fought with his hands by his side & was caught absolutely flush over & over again & was eventually stopped.- Average fighter who fought with no defense against a good puncher-pretty non-weird outcome.
Mayorga was known as having a great chin & Tito beat him down by landing repeatedly. Not anything weird there: good power landing often V great chin.
He hardly touched Hopkins, and Hops had a great chin anyway. Wright he never really landed anything on. I don't buy the theory that those few shots on the gloves would have made such a difference with loaded gloves-too much of a stretch. Also, I remember thinking that Wright was just a bit naturally too big against SSM & Tito. No weirdness there-Naturally bigger guy with good defense who tito landed very ittle against.
Jones-well he was way above the weight were he had serious power & was against a guy who was bigger, stronger, hit harder & was just a better boxer.

 

Reasonable post.

 

I think he carried his power to middleweight just fine. It's just immaterial when you cant land it

 

Trinidad's offense was very much self-sustaining. He'd stun you with a shot making it possible for him to land a second and a third. But if the first didn't sting? This is why the Hopkins and Wright fights played out as they did, and why odh never stopped moving, not even long enough to sit down on anything.

 

Tito KO's Forrest in 8 at 147, and within 5 at 154.

 

De La Hoya did sit down at times (usually, when Trinidad didnt expect it, like at the end of a combo), which is why he marked Trinidad up a fair bit in that bout.

More or less it was an evasive fightplan, though.

 

Oh he definitely stopped and flurried, but he never planted his feet and let go with any commitment. I wouldn't call that sitting down.

It struck me as strange how afraid he was of Trinidad, and how unwilling he was to trade at all with him even sparingly.

 

Mayorga was trash, man

 

LOL, exactly

this "theory" of Double's is ridiculous

 

You have a point but he was still better than Pipino Cuevas.

 

Honestly, I would take Cuevas over Mayorga.

Better technique, more punching power, and an even better chin.

 

like hell he was

 

Beating Forrest and fighting about evenly with Mosley till the last round >>>>>> anything Cuevas achieved. He beat a bunch of bums during his "reign of terror", never beat anyone relevant, instead he got trashed by every half-decent opponent he fought. What a legend!

 

Cuevas would have destroyed Mayorga.

 

Like he destroyed the great Andy Price? Or Roger Stafford? Even if we assume that Cuevas beats Mayorga, it would be by FAAAR his best victory. His feared punching power strangely only worked against bums, for some reason his punches had no effect on the better opponents. Cuevas is the most overrated fighter ever. He literally never beat one decent fighter.

 

totally untrue