Felix Trinidad wants Kelly Pavlik fight @165

Alright good, I hope it happens,.. because you Tito groupies are in trouble if it does,..:bears: "superior boxing skills" ...please,... two thorough shut-outs put a horrible end to that silly myth, all he is, is a tough, stalker/puncher with illegal wraps,... that's the extent of his skills.

Don Felix insists that he is going to continue to wrap Tito's hands the way he has always wrapped them - which is of course, illegally. In the same interview quoted above, Don Felix is asked straight out, "Will you be wrapping Tito’s hands differently for this upcoming fight with Cherifi?" and to my absolute amazement his answer was, "No, we’ll be doing it the same way we’ve always done it because I believe that we wouldn’t have the same problems we had for the last fight. That controversy was really done to fill our heads with too many things at the same time. It was like a type of terrorism in a time when terrorism was in the United States. It was boxing terrorism."

:bears:

 

All I know is I saw Pavlik on queer street after a "solid" but not crushing left hook by Bernard Hopkins who isn't known for knocking the shit out of people with one punch. If Tito's punch gets there (and it will), Pavlik goes to sleep, good night.

Pavlik wouldn't get by Abraham anyway, and his team knows it which is why they are ducking him.

 

You are forgetting his loss to De La Hoya. Yes he LOST that fight, even with Hoya GIVING him three rounds for free

Isnt it ironic that those 4 guys are also hands down the best fighters he has faced?

What good boxer did Trinidad ever beat? a 86 year old, crack smoking Whitaker? David Reid (LOL) ? Fernando Vargas? When did he ever outbox anyone? You talk about his reign at Welterweight, how we was much more thyan a puncher, based on WHAT exactly? wins over Yory Boy Campas and Oba Carr (one of whom could get outboxed by a stationary object and the other who Trinidad beat by punching, not boxing) ? perhaps its wins over the already completely shot Maurice Blocker? A 50 year old lightweight named Camacho? Gimme a break... Trinidad was ALWAYS a straight ahead puncher

 

1) Completely idiotic statement. Trinidad landed NOTHING in that fight except for a cheap shot after the bell, other than that he followed oscar around and barely threw anything at him

2) Trinidad lost EVERY ROUND from 2 through 12 in that fight, and he hardly landed anything! Antwun Echols landed more punches on Hopkins than Trinidad did!

3) The ultimate bullshit... Hopkins is NOT a big MIddleweight, Winky Wright was a junior middleweight, and Oscar was SMALLER than Trinidad. FURTHERMORE, he did not just LOSE... he was WIPED OUT OF EXISTENCE (especially against hopkins and Wright) ... he wasnt even competetive with those guys, he looked like he had no business being allwoed in the ring with either one of them.

4) This is the dumbest one yet. I am not and have never been a Roy jones fan, but Roy jones is TOTALLY SHOT right now. He was clealry not the same after he beat Ruiz... He was knocked into oblivion by Tarver, and then pummelled by Glen Johnson... he could clearly no longer move with the speed he once had, his reflexes and timing were visibly changed for the worse... he was KOd BADLY in those fights, the kind of knockouts that change a fighter for the worse forever... he is DEFINITLEY shot... and you bringing up PBF (totally irrelevant to this topic) reveals what everyone has known about you for years -- you hate fast black guys

 

Let see. Boxrec says Tito won. Wow, that was easy. Your opinion means absolutely nothing to the fact Tito won. Get over it.

Trinidad always displayed his boxing skills throughout his career and wins over solid fighters simply proved it. However, as he quickly rose through the ranks he relied more on his power punches and left hook. But if you are going to sit there picking out opponents we can easily do that with everyones resume.

Trinidad went back to basics against Roy Jones and showed some excellent improvements over the Trinidad that retired. Expect to see more of the same against Pavlik and what should prove to be a great fight. Let's not forget that Jermain Taylor almost KO'd Pavlik in 2 rounds.

Cupey

 

Boxrec says he won so thats it?? Boxrec says Ramirez beat Whitaker, it says Escalera beat Everett, it says Gomez beat Lockridge... what the fuck does that mean??? What is that evidence of?? Only a man with no leg to stand on would use the judges as his argument over a boxing match...

Wins over solid fighters such as???? WHO EXACTLY??? Who did he use these SKILLS against?

Picking out opponents??? I PICKED OUT THE FOUR BEST FIGHTERS HE FACED BY A LONG SHOT!!!! He went back to basics against Jones??? He managed to not get clowned for a few rounds against a totally shot, chinny fighter and that is supposed to be a ringing endorsment??

He relied more on power and punching as he moved up? Maybe that is because he started facing formidable opposition???

 

You rely more on your power when you face formidable opposition? I think it would be quite the opposite and you would rely on your boxing skills.

He used his skills throughout his entire career as a welterweight. Just look at his HBO debut. Or the way he countered Roger Turner with a shot while leaping in. How about the way he setup his KO of Kevin Leushing with beautiful combination downstairs and came upstairs with the hook to KO this cat. He also fought Whitaker extremely well, but cautiously.

The fact is he always put his skills on display and setup his punches well. Only a complete hater would think otherwise.

Cupey

 

What I'm stating about boxrec is that no matter how you see it, the facts remain the same. Everyone knows Lennox beat Holyfield both fights, but it makes no difference because it was still a draw. Everyone knows Marquez beat Pacquiao hands down in the rematch. Makes no difference, he still lost.

Cupey

 

Don't put JMM-Pacquiao II in the class of LL-Holyfield that is a joke. You are lumping in a very close fight with a not very close fight.

 

WOW! In that case he was a GREAT boxer

Are you kidding me?

And THAT Whitaker???

Ridiculous

Using Kevin Leushing and Roger Turner to try and make Trinidad into a terrific boxer is like saying:

Whitaker kayoed Juan Nazario and Louie Lomelli with one shot, therefore he was a great puncher

 

Exactly

 

This is the dumbest post I've read in 6 months.

 

Who said I'm making him into a terrific boxer. He was simply a good boxer who relied more on his punch than his brains.

That Whitaker was more stationary, his skills just didn't go away. He's a smart fighter now matter what style he chooses. You should just shoot yourself now.

Cupey

 

Try reading some of your own posts and you'll change your mind.

Cupey

 

Why should I shoot myself? I am having too much fun shooting holes in your idiotic assertions about Trinidad's "skillful" boxing

That Whitaker was a lot more than "more staionary", he had virtually nothing left... no movement, his timing was gone, he was beyond rusty and he was coming off of a long layoff... his skills had been in decline for years, exacerbated by his heavy drug use... and again Trinidad beat him by PUNCHING... he didnt work the jab and play defense. Whitaker hit him plenty in that fight.

Your hero was ALWAYS a one-dimensional puncher against the best fighters... and Carlos Ortiz, Wilfredo Gomez and Wilfred Benitez all have a higher claim to "Best Puerto Rican fighter ever" than him... consequently, all three of them could box

 

Cdoggy..your behavior in this thread will shame a catamite(alabama,I&I,Kauki..) :kick:

 

Ortiz > Trinidad

Gomez > Trinidad

Benitez > Trinidad

 

okay...I agree...but i still gotta kick your ass...:nono:....

 

It's amazing how this one-dimensional Trinidad seems to be some ordinary club fighter in your eyes. Do you think it's easy to land a punch on someone who's a professional boxer? The guy's timing was excellent. His accuracy unbelievable. Sure he had problem with movers because of his footwork, but it was only the elite boxers that were able to expose his fatal flaw. One degree below A+ and he would eat you up.

Go read the wall street journal or something. You know shit about boxing.

Cupey

 

I agree with you on the subject of Tito's "Boxing skills" ,... .. but these 6 words,..... shock my system to it's core...

 

cdogg is always saying stupid shit.

 

hopkins IS a big middleweight, to claim otherwise is foolish, but you are an even bigger faggot.

 

You can't judge Trinidad for that performance. Jones is much bigger and stronger than him. Heck, Jones would've brutalized Pavlik's ass the same way.

 

I disagree... he is fairly tall, but I dont think of him in terms of a James Toney or a Dick Tiger, he is not a big bulky guy, he is actually pretty slender

 

oh please, what worthwhile point have you EVER made?

Your entire recorded output on this site could be collected under the headline "STUPID SHIT"

why dont you go back to TAAA and further cultivate your ridiculous message board persona

 

The fact that every single elite fighter beat him cleanly keeps him from being truly elite.

I never said he was a club fighter. A guy isn't great and that makes him a club fighter? Your words, not mine. Trinidad was very, very good but he was not great

You seem to forget that you and Trouble Mel were ooooing and aaahing Trinidad's "impressive boxing skills"

That is ridiculous, he wasnt a terribly good boxer at all and the best fighters he fought exposed that flaw decisively

 

1) yeah none of those lead right hands landed on ODH;

2) watch the fight with sound off;

3) Winky and Hopkins were smaller than Trinidad? Okay. Is that why their last fight was at 170 and haven't seen 160 in years? Last I saw Hopkins was fighting Calzaghe. Idiot.

4) Okay. Whatever you say.

 

It is interesting that this so-called 'one-dimensional fighter' with 'limited boxing skills' was able to defend his welterweight title 17 times, just one fight shy of the division's all time record (18) set by Henry Armstrong.

 

He made a lot of defenses, but let's be clear, between Blocker and De La Hoya (and certainly from '95-'98) there weren't a whole lot of elite welterweights he shared the ring with...despite the depth of the division at the time.

To his credit, Trinidad did what he could to make even some of the routine defenses interesting.