Felix Trinidad wants Kelly Pavlik fight @165

Duran WAS NOT the Type of Opponent that ENHANCED a Guys Resume, by the Time Camacho Faced him...The Mere Fact that NOBODY Would Pick a PRIME Camacho to Beat a PRIME Duran REVEALS This....



REED:mj:

 

Tito's win over Whitaker can't be weighted the same as ODH's who fought him in his first fight at 147 and when he was still a decent fighter.

On the other hand, not only did Tito handle Carr before ODH or Quartey, but he beat him in the most dominant fashion and at what was probably the height of Carr's abilities.

Either way, when you list it out, I don't think you can argue that Trinidad outshined both ODH and Quartey at 147. But then again, that's pretty easy to do with loaded gloves.

 

TitoSyndrome is for real! It's not a myth!:crafty:

Seriously get over it dude. Tito never loaded his gloves.:shit::shit::shit:

 

Bull-shit. I've studied the allegation and Trinidad was never the puncher after the Hopkins fight that he had been.

And if you study his technique it's obvious it was designed in large part around having had loadedgloves.

Just watch the Joppy fight and tell me with a straught face that Tito's gloves weren't loaded or somehow illegally wrapped. He knocked Joppy down with a left hook thrown with a straight arm for God's sake. Do you realize how weak a punch that is with legal wraps. It's weaker than a jab a for Kris sake.

There's a reason Joppy's hands were down. He "thought" he was out of range of Tito's "devastating" left hook. And he would've been had it not been for the illegal wrapping.

I think in light of Tito's fights following the Hopkins' fights, and how they played out, you'd have to be really naive to think that Tito wasn't loading his gloves.

He damn near had to hit Mayorga 30 times before the guy would go down. And Mayorga never did lose his legs. He lost in the end from a body shot.

It's time for you to come to terms with the facts: Trinidad loaded his gloves.

 

And pigs fly too.

 

double is right

Tito was a fraud all along :atu:

 

:bears:


assuming your comment is not sarcastic, it's nice to know "someone" on this board can see things for what they are.

tito has some boxing skills, but without his "special" wraps he's not the fighter we thought he was. I think that has to be obvious to anyone with common sense.

 

yes u studied the allegation......Trinidad had one fight after Hopkins...and that was against Cheriffi who he still Ko'in 4-5 rounds...

Any version of Trinidad after that was a shell of himself....after years out of boxing to come back and fought Mayorga...yes it took alot of punches..but he still ko a guy who had never been ko or knockdown before...and guess it HE RUINED Mayorga...

The Trinidads are not CHEATER..they are just shitty decision makers...after fighting the punching bag they fight one of the best defensive fighters around Winky Wright...retire again....then come back vs. a bigger/faster/stronger/always better Roy Jones....then retire again....

You can try an say Tito retire soon after the Hopkins fight cause he was caught but thats bullshit....the Hopkins fight took Tito's mojo...and here i'm saying it..he could never beat Hopkins so he probably though..why the fuck fight??..i got money..i'm healthy let call it a wrap...

If Trinidad was a cheater why come back to fight Winky Wright? If he knew or though he wouldn't be able to ko him w/out his special wraps...why not make 2-3 million fighting Welter or Jr. Middle at 160 instead..? Trinidad could have made similar money fight some guys from 154 like Santos at the Garden..than he did for his fight vs. Winky...

http://tu.tv/videos/felix-trinidad-vs-william-joppy

And Trinidad vs. Joppy..Jop had his hand down plenty of times in the first round and througout the fight...and in round 1 it's not like Trinidad landed nothing and then suddenly landed those two left hooks..he had landed plenty of clean punches. Trinidad loaded up on both those left hook that drop Joppy esp. on the 2nd one...you get hit by two left hook back to back by one of the harder puncher ever in boxing..you gonna go down...

 

Comparing Trinidad's resume to DLH's does what, exactly?

After fighting Whitaker in his first fight in the division, DLH's competition went into hibernation until '99.

I like how you mention "controversial decision" at times, but when it comes to Tito-DLH, leave it at "Oscar De La Hoya (31-0) Co-title holder at the time."

More nice use of language.

I also like how you mention "Pernell Whitaker (40-2-1) Former four-division champ. He had previously lost a controversial decision to Oscar"

Since you're in such a generous mood with facts, you could've also mentioned Whitaker had previously tested positive for cocaine, which cost him a decision against Pestriaev and a proposed bout against Quartey.

 

ohh i know you love to point out the noise of Tito gloves when they connected on Joppy..but you can hear the same impact sound from Joppy punches...I don't remember hearing those noises on other fight though..i guess good sound quality...

 

Bottommline imone cheater (Hopkins) exposed another cheater (Tito).

Why do people write this shit off? Probably the same reason they write off Pavlik's liabilities in his fight with Hopkins -whatever that is.........

 

For the third or fourth time, like I said, Trinidad's wins at welterweight are better than any of his peers and are better than some former welterweight champs already in the Hall (like Palomino and Cuevas, if you need examples).

I'm comparing his welterweight resume to his welterweight peers and a couple of the more recent welterweight champs to make the hall of fame.

Trinidad's welterweight resume is better than theirs. That's the point.

What's yours? Because you were running him down, but the facts don't support you.

 

Trinidad's best "win" supposedly came against DLH. Outside of that win, Trinidad didn't beat, let alone fight, many truly elite fighters at the weight. He beat a solid group of fighters, not one great fighter near his best (except for his "win" over DLH), but you can pump up Oba Carr and Hector Camacho if if makes you feel better.

 

the amount of ignorance in this thread is alarming

 

Yes indeed. Tito has never beaten a prime, elite fighter. Never. And that's the main reason he's so obscenely overrated.

That, and the fact that he got clowned in 1 sided fashion by pretty much every elite fighter he faced ::

 

Tito came back for money. Period. He knew he wasn't going to beat Wright or RJJ. You could tell by the way he fought.

And who hasn't KO'd Cherifi? And again, Mayorga is a much smaller guy than Trinidad and it still took everything but the kitchen sink to put him down, and he never did lose his legs.

Mayorga wasn't ruined by that fight. It was just the first in a series of fights in which he fought elite competition. He still managed to beat Vargas.

You act like he was ever as good as a prime Vargas. When it comes to Mayorga, what was there to ruin?

Trust me. Tito loaded his gloves. Its plainly obvious. The most telling example is the Joppy fight, and then his subsequent performance against Hopkins. Just as Margarito did, Trinidad suddenly lost his well of stamina because he actually had to put muscle into his punches (because they weren't wrapped illegally).

There's no proof one way or the other, but it was established that he was "trying" to wrap his hands illegally in preparation for the Hopkins fight. There's no denying that. So the question becomes: was that the first time he did it? I hardly think so. Just as it would be absurd to think that it was the first time Margarito loaded his gloves against Mosley, it would be equally absurd to assume the same when it comes to Tito.

It's too bad. Two of my favorite fighters turn out to be phonies.

 

Yup. As I've said, to my mind Tito was a uniquely CONSISTENT B+ fighter.

 

Margarito lost all his stamina, in the same way Wlad lost all his against Lamon Brewster,... a shot to the pancrease was the trick. Both turned unusually pale, and both couldn't even hold thier hands up to defend themselves, it wasnt due to expending too much energy.

 

For the life of me, I don't recall ANYONE thinking Carr beat Quartey.


Maybe the "many" who think Carr won are the same ones who think Molina was robbed against DLH.::

 

dude, exactly

thats all Ive been saying in here

 

or that Whitaker/Chavez was actually a draw

 

Lets take a look at who he lost to. He lost to B-Hopkins who has not been beaten convincingly in the past decade! I dont pay much mind to the Wright/Jones loses. He came off of extensive layoffs to fight them.

 

food for thought. both did seem to hit a wall suddenly. what's the explanation for tito's suddenly hitting a wall against hopkins? same theory? or lack of loads in his gloves?

 

its not exactly rocket science. if you are missing most of your punches while your opponent is repeatedly hitting you with hard shots in return, it will tend to cause fatigue. only a nitwit like this syringe jockey would overanalyze the obvious and come up with some alternate crackpot theory.

 

thanks little Neil. but it's too bad you can't get your arms around the concept that loading your wraps not only allows you to hit harder, but also to retain your stamina longer.

 

Dude, you are retarded.

 

:: the beautiful simplicity of this post is just one reason why it is so goddamned funny

It takes about 45 possible reasons to slag on Double L and just neatly summarizes them all into one perfect statement

 

junior you're in over your head.

 

Neither did Calzaghe......Calzaghe beat two "TITO PERNELL WHITAKERs"....and people wanna talk of him as a top 50 alltime great......both Tito and Calzaghe are GREATS but not ALL TIME GREAT..

 

Good point.