Fightbeat top 20 p4p of all time.

Democracy be damned::

I won't participate for various reasons.

For one, we don't have common grounds what we base our lists on (what is taken into account). Instead, pretty much everybody will make a list based on the listings they have seen before instead of actually thinking what is the basis of the ranking. Which, in turn, makes the lists futile.

Two, every time has their own truths. Most of boxing journalists lived their own prime in the 70s, that's why everything that happened then is now officially better than anything else. It has happened every decade. And yes, that is why I probably overrate 90s and 00s too.

And three, nobody would agree with my picks anyway:fightme:

 

i used to love reading lists done by ring mags and such. they're mostly done by one subject matter expert and is obviously biased. it's actually somewhat amusing to see how folks get upset over these topics.

same would apply for mythical matchups.

hopkins vs. hearns? if i had to bet, then probably hopkins. maybe not. in all honesty, i have no fucking clue. anyone who claim to know for sure and would insult others on this subject is an obvious fuckface.

 

Indeed

MTF :laughing:

 

Im still counting the votes, am't I? Im just saying that putting Vitali Klitschko over Ray Robinson is fucking retarded. But people have full license to be retarded as they want, Im still gonna count them. I'd personally be interested to see your list and your reasons behind it, because A) you're smart B) you'll have reasons for your opinions so if nothing else they'll give me something to think about. I dont see any reason why there's a problem with us having different criteria.

For what it's worth the reason I put more emphasis on competition than the tapes is because in my first few years following boxing I went gaga for fighters who looked amazing beating up bums but came unstuck by guys with better fundamentals. So i developed the belief that the resume is the be and end all since I feel like it's too easy to be deceived by sizzle, speed and dominant displays against blown up featherweights at welter and Samuel Peter.

Im sure you'll have a reason for your list andI'd be interested to see it.

 

1. Ray Robinson
2. Ray Leonard
3. Roberto Duran
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Henry Armstong
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Willie Pep
8. Pernell Whitaker
9. Eder Jofre
10. Marvin Hagler
11. Roy Jones Jr
12. Archie Moore
13. Manny Pacquiao
14. Julio Cesar Chavez
15. Bernard Hopkins
16. Floyd Mayweather Jr
17. Tommy Hearns
18. Carlos Monzon
19. Joe Louis
20. Ricardo Lopez

 

Off the top of my head, I've only really got the usual suspects like Robinson, Ali, Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Monzon etc and I have no idea about the order, other than I would acceed to convention and have Robinson first.

I have a bit of spare time this weekend, so I'll have a watch of some old video's then I'll submit a list.

MTF

 

Look forward to it, Feebes!:crafty:I just wish I had 3 minutes of spare time over the weekend.:crying:

 

Just since 1940? ok, well I have to leave off a few guys and bump a few up

here goes

1) Sugar Ray Robinson
2) Roberto Duran
3) Muhammad Ali
4) Pernell Whitaker
5) Sugar Ray Leonard
6) Ezzard Charles
7) Eder Jofre
8) Willie Pep
9) Sandy Saddler
10) Carlos Monzon
11) Julio Cesar Chavez
12) Roy Jones Jr.
13) Alexis Arguello
14) Marvin Hagler
15) Ike Williams
16) Kid Gavilan
17) Ruben Olivares
18) Sal Sanchez
19) Emile Griffith
20) Mike Spinks

my list takes into account the following criteria:

1) level of comp
2) success vs. failure against that comp
3) longevity
4) how favorably I think they would do in matchups against all other fighters historically of similar size

 

:bears: reason

 

Thank you, thank you

 

At least one could reasonably put Pernell Whitaker in the top 4 there. opcorn:

 

nah, just people who actually know what they are talking about and shape their worldview around boxing as opposed to bending boxing to fit their worldview

 

dude, Terry Norris is on your list so just shut the fuck up

 

sly list is shitty...but the one you came up w/ is horrible...


Tyson? Pacquiao over Duran, Ali, SRR? Winky Wright? But no MAYWEATHER? Leonard at 18, Ali at 14? Sanchez in the top 5? Had he not die most likely but not with what he accomplished...


If Mayweather ends up fighting and beating Pacquiao....I HOPE you give him credit for fighting the greatest fighter in the last 70 years on your list.

Don't want to read "Mayweather beat him with stink"..."Pacquiao was a much smaller guy, fighting the bigger guy", "Pacquiao was past his prime"..etc..etc...

 

I almost put Floyd on there, he'd be in the next few... his comp at 130 -140 was excellent and he was often dominant but the recent activity hasnt been as inspiring... But he may be one big win away from being on there for me

 

One of the few times I have literally laughed at something posted here.

 

Agreed. Norris was way too low on his list.

























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I think I'll use that ASAP

 

:doh:

 

:laughing:

 

9 lists so far. They seem to be getting better after an inexplicable start, keep 'em coming! REED? Broadway Joe? Ramonzo? El terriblee? Feebes? Buddy? UGTBK? Slice N Dice? TKO? Irish? Hit me up!

 

I still never got what i asked for in return. :kick:

 

In my humble opinion i have the best list at the moment...:dunno:

 

It's a good one. Our top 4s are identical. Top 10s very similar. It's missing Ezzard Charles & Archie Moore though, is that deliberate?

 

Your list is missing Michael Spinks.

If you asked me to make another list right now without looking at the first one i bet there would be a good 3-4 fighters included that weren't there before. ::

 

I don't know a thing about Ezzard Charles, never seen one of his fights, nothing...Only thing i know about him is he has a cool name...

 

Spinks was considered but I thought Harada, Chavez & Arguello ranked above him. Maybe wrong. I think I would personally have Benitez above Spinks, too, if I was gonna made an amendment. Im tempted to find a place for Benitez somewhere.....

 

Benitez was a great talent with some solid wins but i could only put him on such a list if the #1 defining criteria would be how he would fair against others head to head. And even then you always have to include the "if he was in great shape ..." caveat

In terms of accomplishments, longevity etc. he falls way behind.

Michael Spinks went undefeated in one of the toughest light heavyweight periods in history. He also moved up and defeated the lineal heavyweight champion.

 

This is all true. I think you're right actually, I'll probably fix him in.

 

Ezzard Charles has to be on anyone's list... if he isn't, then you are just wrong