Fighters who live(d) in Las Vegas

Still can't work it out either. Is there any connection between A) fighters who lives in Las Vegas B) Gambling on boxing C) fixed fights? :dunno:

 

If you think about it though...which "softies" has Floyd taken on in recent years?

Marquez may be smaller, but he's no softy. Hell I heard YEARS AGO from guys like Donnybrook that Barrera would pose stylistic problems for Floyd regardless of teh size different let alone the bigger and more formidable Marquez.

Hatton was no softy.

De La Hoya was no softy

Judah is no softy either.

Gatti...sure. but gatti was big time at that time in terms of exposure, plus he had a title belt.

Castillo was no softy.

Corrales was no softy.

N'Dou, Corley and a few others were decent fighters to defend crowns against.

Mayweather fighting mainly "softies" is a myth.

 

Yup...I'm lost padna.

 

Marquez was fighting 3 divisions above his weight. He was 17lbs heavier than usual. If you gain 17lbs rapidly to face the supposed p4p, you are considered a gimme.

Gatti as well.

So yes, PBF has had a few softees. He also has that DLH knack for fighting guys when they are too old, shot, or coming up in weight.

 

I didn't see anyone saying mainly softees, but he could have faced Margarito, Cotto, and Mosley in recent years. Only now is he facing Mosley.

 

Oh come on Sly, the Marquez fight was a farce. Total farce. I personally had no problem with Floyd taking an easy fight after an 18 month lay off - completely understandable. But taking a much smaller guy who can ostensibly be built up as formidable to the ignorant masses and cashing in on his name while doing so? It really doesn't do YOU any favours as somebody sticking up for Floyd to take his line on that being a meaningful fight.

It was a gimme. He was allowed a gimme, just not the charade that it was anything other. It A) insulted our intelligence & B) exploited another outstanding fighters legacy as a featherweight/super featherweight to artificially pump up his own. Was tacky stuff.

Other than that I agree most of his comp is solid. Solid, not great, like Jones' was through most his career. And like Jones' the feeling is always there that it could have been better if he's bothered to make it so.

 

12 pounds...actually. He had adjusted to lightweight already evidenced by stopping both Casamayor and Diaz. Also since he weighed in at 144 or something of that nature...I would say 9 pounds.

Leonard fought Hagler at 160lbs...13 pounds heavier than he usual weight at his first time at middleweight after a three year layoff. Great fighters can do it. Marquez is a great. Ask Pacquiao.

 

Agree to an extent. Was no doub tthat Floyd was always going to win. But Marquez was a great fighter..just smaller. No different to Hagler fighting Duran, Norris fighting Taylor, Holmes fighting Spinks.

 

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You sure about that? Yeah. People on this board want to see competitive fights (except for Sly). But a giant contingent of consumers sat and watched PBF out-class JMM and thought it was because he was a great fighter.

I guess the big difference in recent times is G. We had ODH fighting a guy his own company promotes. And we'll have the same with Mosley.

 

Well it was a bit different since all the guys you mention had fought at the weight their big fight took place at and were adapted to it (apart from leonard, but it was him who chased that fight and it was only 2 weights above his prime weight, not 4). Marquez had frankly looked slow and small at lightweight and was then asked to move a further 2 divisions purely as a sacrificial lamb.

I don't think there's any historical parallel to that.

 

You think because he beat a faded Casamayor and a light-punching Diaz that he had acclimated to 135? He was visibly smaller than Pacquaio when they fought at 130.

He had two fights at 135. For the 15 years prior to that, he spent his time between 126 and 130. Are you telling me that you really believe that Marquez was anything more than a record-padder opponent?

You're comparing Leonard-Hearns to Mayweather-Marquez? Leonard was campaigning between 147 and 154 before he retired.

Sorry Sly, you got the blinders on, dude.

 

Fair enough. I respect your point of view...and you've given great reasons for it.

I will say, however, that if Marquez was small and slow at lightweight it didn't matter as he stopped Casamayor, something the HUGE Castillo couldn't do or Corrales in three tries. That must mean something.

 

It means Casamayor had been in a lot of wars by that point. He'd been dropped 4 or 5 times since his first bout with Corrales.

 

Leonard had been off for three years and spent time building up his body prior to pursuing the fight. Plus, it's well known he used steroids in the process.

Marquez was as fit at 147 as Oscar was at 160.

The first part of your post would carry weight if Casamayor and/or Diaz were bigger guys coming down. As it was, one was/is a career lightweight, the other was fighting at his highest weight class.

 

No it isn't.