Fights where the results woulda changed if the loser was in thier prime.

Keep crying, would you like some lumpia with your whine? :laughing:

Don't worry, when JMM gets a hotly disputed decision against Jorge "I got out gutted by Popo" Barios, you'll have ... something to celebrate. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

You must have me confused with Payton.

I'm the "Terry Norris guy".

:nono:

 

crying? you mentioned Pacquiao among the current philipino champions. What is he champion off? it's a serious question:dunno:

Nonito and Conde just won world tittles Pacquiao hasn't won a world tittle since he beat Ledwaba.:laughing:

 

Jones - Hopkins
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Spanish Girl Live

 

Here's one...


Hagler/ Duran!


Think about it...


by the way, the post above mine is horse manuer...

 

perhaps but this thread should be renamed the "excuses and biased idiotic propaganda" thread

This topic is designed for severe flaming, and the stupider the fights that get mentioned, the dumber this entire General discussion forum becomes.

 

ummmmm this happen

 

Pacquiao also had the Ring Belt at 126 which means a heck of a lot more than the ABC plastic.

People's champion my ignorant friend. :nono:

 

yeah so important that nobody mentions it when he is introduced before fights. He is considered a two division champ. opcorn:

 

Yeah, It happend, but that's the point of the thread. Pea lost, but it was so close (I thought he won) you could tell if the fight had been held 2 or three years before, it wouldn't have been as close.

And I still say the post above my first one is horse $(^#

 

One more...



Michael Spinks/ Larry Holmes.

 

Pacquiao beat ass over 7 divisions. The Ring Belt is usually mentioned before fights, it was mentioned before Pacquiao dropped your queer idol on the canvas 3 times @126. Pacquiao just needs to clean up at 130 to get the belt again. When has queerquez ever had the Ring Belt? :dunno:

Fagquez didn't even hold a shitty ABC belt until 2003 (just 4 years ago) when he beat up shop worn, and over the hill, Manuel Medina and Fagquez was almost 30!

Pacquiao won his first title in 1998 by beating the #2 guy in his weight class and he was only 19!!

Queerquez isn't a prodigy like Pacquiao, he's an opportunist. :laughing:

That's the difference between me and you. You think that the shitty ABC belt means anything to me since it means something to you. But to me, I don't care what plastic someone is holding, I care WHO they beat to get it.

Pacquiao beat Sasakul who was #2 in the weight class (behind Too Sharp) to get his first title, and he beat Ledwaba who was Top 3 in his weight class before Pacquiao smashed him. To get the ring belt, he beat P4P #3 Barrera by crushing him in 11 rounds. Not to mention crushing legends like Erik Morales (first fighter to knock him out) and dominating Larios. When Pac fights guys like Solis (32-0 and physically BIGGER), it's considered a "tune-up."

Queerquez got his first title beating 92 year old Medina (no where near the top of the weight class and certainly not a P4P contender), and he got his WBA trinket from Derrick Gainer (again, not Top 3 in his weight class or even close to P4P contention). When he actually fought people near the top his weight class such as Chris John, and Freddie Norwood, guess what... he LOST.::

That's why history will remember that Pacquiao was FIGHTER of the year at one point in his career (an honor shared with greats like Ray Robinson, and Ali), and a P4P#2 fighter during his time (perhaps #1 in the future). Queerquez has never sniffed accolades like that in his entire career and the guy is almost in his mid-30s. :doh:

 

no matter when it happen they was gonna give the win to dlh

 

Duran, who was greater and better than Hagler, in his prime would be giving away 25 pounds to Hagler so he'd still lose, just like he did when they fought in 1983 and Hagler won 10-11 rounds but the judges were drunk.

 

dude your a clown. Pacquiao obviously has had a better carreer than JMM. I have never argued that.

I just laugh when you change your tune depending on the argument. You celebrate condes and Nonito becoming world champions. So in those cases the alphabet belts do count. Yet when anybody argues that pacquiao hasn't won one at 130 all of a sudden they are meaningless belts ::

when anybody brings up the losses pacquiao got at flyweight you quickly blame the weight and that he didn't belong down there. almost as if that stage of his carreer never happened. Yet winning the belt does count of course.::

In your mind Pacquiao is undefeated cause there is an excuse for any loss he has. He got schooled by JMM and blamed the cheap socks. Got schooled by Morales and blamed the gloves.

seriously dude as great as pacquiao has been you bring him down with all the bullshit arguments which are not necessary.

you have some craving for making him look perfect.:notallthere:

also even pacquiao has talked about not needing belts yet he pays sanctioning fees on a regional version of the WBC. yet won't fight JMM for the real world tittle for financial reasons. Tell me the logic in that.:dunno:

as far as the ring magazine. they also thought Paulie Ayala was fighter of the year in 1999. ! and last year should have gone to Floyd who became the real champ at welterweight for his fourth division.

Pacquiao had three oponents all coming of losses two by ko in Larios and the last morales fight.

funny JMM just beat Barrera and again Pacquiao is fighting another guy coming of a loss instead of the fighter everyone wants him to fight.

 

:clap: You're starting to learn boxing finally. I have to give you props.

Where did I ever bring up the belts with Condes and Nonito? I only brought up the people they BEAT which were both Top 3 (arguably #1) people in their divisions, something Yawn Queerquez has failed to do in the two shots he had.

I never dismissed his losses, but it's a common fact that Pacquiao LOST his belt on the scales before the fight even started with Medgeon. That's WEIGHT problems. I never said the losses didn't happen, I'm just stating the facts that Pac had weight problems.

Dude, when he fought JMM the first time he was the SMALLER man coming up in weight, it was his 2nd fight at 126, a division that queerquez had been in almost his WHOLE career. Manny still managed to beat the shit out of Queerquez and SHOULD'VE WON if not for a scoring error by one judge, another fact. When Pacquiao fought Morales the first time it was his FIRST fight at 130 and he had managerial problems including being owed over $1,000,000 in purse winnings from his promoter Murad Muhammad and not being able to wear the gloves he had been wearing for over a decade because of a shitty contractual negotiations by Murad. He went on to stop Erik Morales twice and pretty much end his career. It seems Pacquiao is the one always moving up to fight the top guys (he's fought over 7 divisions). Again, facts are easier to deal with than the bullshit you spend time trying to make up because I can just pull facts out.

First off G and Arum were in court trying to sue each other when that offer was made. In the unlikely scenario that they did negotiate while at each other's throats, it would more than likely go to purse bid which would give Queerquez the lion's share of the purse. Anyone would turn down that bitch deal.

If you don't understand the logic in that, I can't help you. Even a 4th grader with a basic understanding of currency would be able to understand the idiocy of Pacquiao fighting for the "small end" of the money just to get a shot at some ABC plastic.

The simple fact is Pacquiao sells out places like Mandalay Bay and the Thomas and Mack Center. Fagquez would have a very hard time selling out a shitty bull ring in Mexico. Why would Pacquiao throw away money by letting Queerquez dictate terms like that? :dunno:

The better question is, why did Nacho and Queerquez turn down a career high payday to accept the rematch in 2004 when the financial incentives and timing were perfect? :dunno:

Well that's your opinion, obviously many respected boxing writers didn't agree with you about Floyd and they actually get PAID for their opinion. Honestly I don't know how a guy can gain respect when he's getting BOOED during his supposed "Welterweight Coming Out party". Do you think people booed and left the arena when Pac was busy beating Erik's ass? ::

BTW it's kind of pathetic that you're trying to bring down Paulie Ayala just to add credibility to your shit argument. Paulie Ayala in 1999 was one of the Top 3 batamweights in the world. I don't know why you're trying to dismiss his accomplishments.

Dude you're the queen of spinning. The Barrera and Pacquiao fight is the first JOINT fight between G and Arum. Queerquez is unavailable to fight for that slot because he's busy cementing his legacy by fighting "Jorge Barios." If there is one thing you can't critisize about Pac, it's his level of competition, it blows Queerquez's resume out of the water.

Also, JMM barely scraped by Barrera and nearly got knocked the fuck out. It was a good fight but Pac beat a fresher, younger, and better MAB 4 years ago and didn't have any trouble doing it.

Besides, the Barios and Barrera fights are just build up fights for the rematch in 2008. If Queerquez beats Pac, I'd be one of the first ones to give credit where credit is due because it would be the first time in Queerquez's career that he beat a top fighter in his prime. But can you say that you would give credit to Pacquiao if he smears Queerquez across the canvas? Me thinks not.

 

Paulie got gift decisions against Tapia. no way should that fool have been fighter of the year. ::

and don't give me that bullshit about paid writers who disagree with me. You make it sound like you never disagree with anybody that's a profesional boxing writer. :dunno: that's a bullshit answer only cause it supports your opinion on this case.

Answer me this. why did the Pacquiao/Guzman fall off. Don't give me the weight issue regarding Guzman cause it sure didn't bother Arum who still made him and VAlero an offer.

Arum publicly said that both Valero and Guzman priced them selves out. Valero never said shit but Guzman made it public that it was bullshit and he would take any offer they gave him. So it was on Arum to make the fight.

SEriously dude you can bring figures all you want and good for Manny if he is getting paid. But don't bullshit and pretend he is actually fighting the best like he used to. Every time a fight gets made there is an excuse as to why it's happening.

Fans don't give a shit if he makes 5 or 20 million per fight. The fact is people wanna see him fight the best at 130 and we are already looking at 2008 for that to happen.:laughing:

 

Ayala-Tapia was a closely contested fight, I thought Ayala won and Tapia spent a little too much time hot dogging. But for getting the "W" against such a highly regarded opponent, I think Ayala deserved the honor.

As for Pacquiao - Guzman, I never thought the negotiations were serious. Guzman is a fighter who is completely unpredictable and that's a potential money pit for such a big fight. He has pulled out of two championship bouts before, what's to say he wouldn't do it on Pacquiao again?

Besides, Arum's plan of Barrera, Fagquez, and Soto seems pretty good to me. Guzman and Valero could get into the mix later next year. There's one Pacquiao, and like half a dozen wannabe contenders. You can't expect him to fight all of them at one time.

 

as the average fan and they would rather watch Pacquiao against JMM or Guzman rather than Barrea. Or rather than Solis a couple of months ago. Most fans dont' give a shit about Pacquiao's bank account. So it's about him not fighting the best and fighting for the money. which is school but at least keep it real.

 

Have you ever heard of the term buildup? :notallthere:

According to Arum and Schaefer of Golden Boy promotions Pac is fighting Barrera, Fagquez, and then possibly Soto or Valero in mid-2008. Name ANY fighter in the sport that has a 3 fight schedule even nearly that tough. :dunno:

I swear dude, Pacquiao could move up and beat Miguel Cotto and you'd still have a problem with the people he fights.

What about Fagquez fighting the Robbie Peden's and Jorge Barrios's of the world? :dunno:

Also you seem to be the one more concerned with Pacquiao's money than me at the moment. This is the third time you've brought it up in as many threads. Yeah, Pacquiao is the biggest money maker below welterweight, get the fuck over it. People pay to see him knock people the fuck out, not finger asian trannies in the mouth like your queer hero. ::

 

it takes a whole year to build up? ::

the only reason i brought the money issue is to confirm that it's the motivation for the fights that are being made. people wanna see him fight the best period and it's not happening. yOu seem to think he is. All I said is keep it real and admit fighting the best it's not the priority for him or Arum.

i'ts simple enough but maybe not for the simple minded.:laughing:

 

Dude, what's wrong with fighting Barrera, Marquez, and Soto/Valero in succession?

If Pacquiao gets by that schedule (which is very possible), he'll be universally considered P4P #1.

I seriously don't know what you're bitching about. :dunno:

This is really weird coming from a Fagquez and Arce groupie, two overrated queers who fought garbage and over the hill shit for years without a victory over ONE in their prime, superstar, opponent. ::

 

I didn't wanna see him fight Solis and I don't wanna see him fight Barrera. Most fans wanna see him fight JMM and guzman right now. Those are the best fights to make now.

I'ts July and we are already looking at next year for those possible fights to happen.

Soto to me is so unproven. You nitpick JMM resumes and forget that Soto has 5 fucking losses including one to a shot kevin Kelley.:dunno: so no that is not a super fight it would just be the best fight for Top rank being that Arum promotes both of them.

and before you bring up the excuse that JMM is already fightint Barrios well he tried to make the pacquiao fight before. Guzman was willing and ready and you have no valid excuse for that fight not coming off.

AGain Pacquiao is fighting Barrera for the money and good for him. Just call it how it is and stop acting like it will mean somenthing at this stage especially with Barrera coming of a loss and the way Pacquiao destroyed him before. That is all.opcorn:

 

The only realistic chance for the rematch to happen was in 2004 when Queerquez was offered a career high payday to get back into the ring and QUEERQUEZ'S camp flat out turned it down, and then went on to fight for $30,000 in Indonesia.

When did JMM or G TRY to make the fight? :dunno:

When G and Arum were in LITIGATION? :laughing:

Damn, I can't believe you're still harping on about that after about half a dozen fightbeat members including myself and Valdosta tried to explain why that was a ridiculous offer.

Do you take medication for a brain injury? I'm totally being serious. :notallthere:

 

I agree with every one of these. Add Marciano-Louis, Leonard-Norris & Ali-Holmes. I would personally add Hamed-Barrera as well, but I understand Im in a slim minority on that one.

 

Others I forgot to mention:

Norris-Curry: The Curry that destroyed McCrory ices Terry.

J.Jackson-Verno Philips

Johnston-Lazcano

Holmes-Holy

Foreman-Holy

Golota-Bowe

Vargas-Quartey

 

So you're suggesting that if Golota was in his prime he beats Bowe? ::

 

:flip: :kick:

 

Gatti-Gamache?

:laughing:

 

Hector Camacho-Greg Haugen
Mike Tyson-Kevin McBride