Final Prediction: Gervonta “Tank” Davis vs Ryan Garcia

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  1. Irish

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    In 1999 Sky Sports - the UK version of HBO- went digital. People tried to subscribe for the Oscar Vs Tito "fight of the century" and couldn't..!! The model is stupid... you pay a fortune for "megafights", the networks won't carry the other fights which then migrate to people like DAZN who want another whack of cash for those fights.

    Every "SUPERFIGHT" now has shitty undercards because the two big boys headlining have siphoned off all the money.

    In the UK in the late 1990s you could have Hamed or Oscar headlining a fight and a really strong US AND a strong domestic undercard. Two or three British title fights, maybe a Euro title, then the broadcast would switch Stateside and people like Erik Morales would be on the undercard.

    Today you got what? Usyk Vs Joshua with Palooka Phil on the undercard. £50.

    No. Not paying it.
     
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    People charge more because they know more people will pay it. Not because fewer people will. Ferraris cost £500,000 because people will pay that. Not because people keep stealing them :Jest:
     
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    Not paying it is one thing. Stealing it is another.
     
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    Dumbest post ever.
     
  5. ILLUMINATI

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    This fight doesn't need the All Access...
    Both of them come off as fake posers…

    can’t wait for the KNOCKOUT…
     
  6. Azazel

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    Exactly, DoubleL logic is extremely faulty (euphemism for retarded if I'm being honest). Promoters, boxers and PPV providers are plain simply trying to maximize their profit (and only looking at the short term it seems unfortunately). You have to be beyond naive to think they would lower the price by a single dollar if no one was pirating. They would only fatten their pocket even more and give them a incentive to put more fights on PPV, in detriment of the long term health of the sport. I'm usually out on Saturday nights so don't really care anymore but the plain reality is the less PPVs sold, the more ''free'' fights we would get, not the other way around.
     
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    While I do understand your logic, piracy has a far more detrimental impact on the movie industry than for boxing. Let's go to the extreme and say that everyone was pirating Holywood movies. Then the pot would be way smaller and we definitely wouldn't get the same ''quality'' (as in special effects) of movies.

    On the other hand, if PPV for boxing is dead tomorrow, it's simply a W for the sport as the only one who would lose out are the boxers who's purse would be reduced (yet still in the 7 figures in most case) and the Bob Arums/Eddie Hearns of the world. Not a single fight wouldn't be made because of it. Hell in fact, it would incite top boxers to fight each others.
     
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    None of the top boxers fight at all anymore. Look how many of the elite guys have fought even once this year. Many don't even have a fight scheduled

    Here is the undercard for this shit show ppv

    David Morrell Jr Battles Knockout Artist Sena Agbeko in Co-Main Event, Gabriel Rosado vs Bektemir Melikuziev Square Off in Anticipated Rematch, & Undefeated 19-Year-Old Sensation Elijah Garcia vs Mexico’s Kevin Salgado in Pay-Per-View Telecast Opener #DavisGarcia #Boxing
     
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    Morrell and Benavidez fighting a few weeks apart excites me. Since Nelo seems dead set on rematching Bivol after he beats Ryder, maybe, just maybe, this means that we're headed for Benavidez vs Morrell in the Fall.
     
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    I dont see any chance benavidez takes that fight
     
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    No doubt but even then the numbers are inflated heavily. They'll use some bullshit math like a movie was illegally downloaded 10 million times and that the disc version (or whatever) costs 20 dollars, therefore they "lost" 200 million. Maybe if each and every one of those people would have purchased it rather than pirating, but in reality only a small percentage would have without the option. Some dude sitting in a 20 bedroom house in Beverly Hills might have stood to make even more. Cry me a river.
     
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    agREED…

    Beating Morrell NOW Does Little for Benavidez and the RISK Isn’t Worth it Coming Off a DEFINITIVE Win Over Plant…

    Even Charlo or Andrade Would Make Much MORE Sense/Cents for Benavidez, Than Morrell Would…

    There’s a “PROVE IT” Aspect to Boxing When it Comes to Certain Fighters…Benavidez JUST Got a Signature Win; the LAST Thing He’s Gonna Do is FASTTRACK Morrell to Elite Status, Potentially @ His OWN Expense…

    Benavidez Had to EARN His Stripes, as They Say…

    No Different Than Floyd Having to EARN His Stripes from Dela, Thurman TRYING to Earn Stripes from Floyd, Spence TRYING to Earn Stripes from Thurman or Boots Ennis TRYING to Earn Stripes from Spence/Crawford…

    Steps…A Process…

    Morrell AIN’T On Benavidez’s Radar for Anytime Sooooon, Nor Should He Be…





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    Who else would Benavidez fight in the future though? The Canelo fight may never happen. Charlo is scared to death of him, and Berlanga is protected.

    Benavidez and Morrell might have to get it on soon simply because there won't be many other viable options.
     
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    Morrell openly saying that he wants Benavidez next. Benavidez has said in the past that he wants Morrell. I mean, I don't see it being impossible. Canelo has other plans, and no one else is in a rush to face either guy.
     
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    From business perspective PPV model suits boxing better than most other sports. I learned the following from a boss of a sports channel where I worked a couple of times.

    If a sports channel with a monthly fee shows football, it will gather bunch of football fans plus some casual sports fans, who watch a game every now and then. If the same channel picks up hockey, hockey fans will order, plus a larger crowd of these casuals.

    However, if the channel adds boxing, ONLY the boxing fans will order, it doesn't add more casuals. There are very few casuals who would be ready to pay extra for seeing a fight every now and then. On the other hand, the fight fans are ready to pay extra for each and every fight, more so than followers of other sports.

    Thus, for the channel it makes sense to produce as many PPVs as possible.

    This added to fact that boxing has no structure (so you can't sell seasonal TV tickets) and that boxing fans don't like to switch (a baseball fan is more likely to switch to watching NBA than a boxing fan), PPV model works for boxing.

    It sucks, but so does life
     
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    I agree with Ugo (rare, I know).

    Also, I wanna add to the false notion that it's good for these PPVs to fail. I'm speaking STRICTLY from a U.S. standpoint here, I can't speak for the UK or any other nation.

    Showtime will get axed from boxing if these PPVs fail. I don't know how many times I have to say this. Paramount has them under a microscope, and I'm positive of this. It's important that Paramount sees that boxing can generate big business with Davis-Garcia.

    Showtime getting sacked from boxing is NOT a good thing for the U.S. boxing fan. They're the last network left in this country who understands how to produce boxing telecasts.

    HBO leaving boxing hurt the U.S. fan, and I hope no one is still in denial about this fact.

    It's not a matter of: "Ohhhh, let PPV fail, then we'll get more free fights."

    No! Those poor numbers will make big networks say: "Boxing is a loss leader. We're getting out."
     
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    "If he [Canelo] doesn't get in the ring, then it might be me versus David Morrell or Charlo." - Benavidez.

    So much for the thinking that Bena won't take that fight.
     
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    doesnt matter what he says. his team wont take a fight with morrell. charlo, yes, i think his team takes that fight.
     
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    Charlo's drunk, ducking ass is never getting in the ring with Benavidez.
     
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    agREED…

    Stranger Things Have Happened, Particularly in Boxing, But REED Would Be Shocked & Amazed if Benavidez Fought Morrell ANYTIME In 2023…

    Talk About It, FLIRT w/the Notion, Suuuure, but Actually FIGHT Morrell? Nah…The FAN In REED HATES Saying That, But in Terms of BUSINESS, There’s Much Better Options FINANCIALLY & from a NAME BRAND Perspective, for Benavidez…

    Morrell Can FIGHT, PeriodT!!!; He’s Basically the Boots Ennis of ‘68 in Terms of Being HIGH Risk (AF), LOW Reward, as Compared to What Benavidez Could Make vs Charlo, Andrade or Possibly Even Uzcategui, KNOWING He’s Done as an ELITE Supermiddle…




    REED:Dan1:
     
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    Eventually he'll need money and have to face someone decent
     
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    I don't think Jermall wants the beating, even if there is money behind it.

    He knows damn well Benavidez would beat the shit outta him.
     
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    At the end of the day he's a fighter and if that's on the table as his biggest money option he'll take it. He hasn't fought in like 2 years
     
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    He needs to name dem names
     
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    We've seen countless examples over the years of guys who ducked despite the opportunity at a payday.

    I think we're far more likely to see Benavidez vs Morrell in the next year than Benavidez vs Charlo in the next year.

    Jermall wants no parts of Benavidez.
     
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    I'm reading there's a 1 Punch KO rematch on the undercard?
     
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    Good puncher, harder to land those shots in an actual fight.
     
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    I'm more concerned about the fact that there's no head or upper-body movement when he throws. Idc if it's just the bag, he should be making it a habit at all times so that it becomes muscle memory. Ryan's head is always on the center line.

    His best and only chance is to catch Tank with a check hook early, and put him out right away. If he can't do that, it's gonna end ugly for him.
     

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