Final Prediction: Roy Jones vs. Joe Calzaghe

shouldnt Calzaghe be the one throwing slapping flurries to win rounds? i'm not sure Jones will let his hands go enough to do that

 

b.s. everytime lay closed the distance he got held and the action was stopped. sloppy's biggest concern is if he fights rjj with a comptent ref.

 

Not even close. Calzhage beat his ass soundly with great use of timing and distance.

 

Just been watching some of Joe on Youtube
-God he looks crap!
He throws arm punches, squares up, gets hit.
I'm so tempted to change my pick-this really is a toss-up for me.
The only reason I'm going with Joe really is because he has great conditioning & he beat Kessler & Hopkins, & I regard those guys highly & maybe Joe's harder to beat than he looks.
If I was basing my pick on just footage, I'd imagine Jones countering him with some huge, crisp hooks & stopping him.
Really torn on this-Gonna stay with my pick though.

 

he wins despite his awful fundamentals because he holds and hits, leads with his head, has biased referees, hand-picked opponents, a better than average chin, and good stamina.

none of these seem like things RJJ can't overcome. especially since it's in MSG, taking away one of the above advantages i've listed (biased referees).

 

Maybe Calzaghe already has a deal worked out in Tokyo???

 

I rewatched the 24/7 shows and the Joe vs Hopkins and Roy vs Tito fight and Roy is going to win. If the same fighter that fought Hopkins shows up and even the same Roy that beat Tito shows up Roy will beat the crap out of Joe. Tito threw much harder shows that Joe in his fight with Roy and never hurt him once or really bothered him. Roy will pick Joe apart with uppercuts on the ropes if he goes back to laying on them. I also think Jones saw something in Joe like SRL did when he decided to fight Hagler.

 

Teddy Atlas picks Roy!:bangh::bangh::bangh:

Ahh fuck that seals Roy's fate. Calzaghe will definitely win now.

 

yeah but Tito's "power" was strictly due to his illegal hand-wraps. Once he was caught for those his power was gone, which explains why he had almost no knock-outs in the amateurs. And it also explains his strange left hook, and his tendency to bleed from the nose from swinging such a heavy instrument without abandon at his opponents.

And watch him floor Joppy with a shot he throws with no leverage - the power clearly comes from the weight of his hands which for that fight were artificially very heavy.


Today's Tito has average power at best. And don't forget that he fought RJJ at what, 170? Where he'd never even won a fight, let alone knocked anyone out or showed any semblance of punching power.

 

Yeah, it couldn't have been the fact that they fight for nine minutes with big gloves and helmets in the amateurs.

 

He still hits cleaner and harder than Joe does at 170. Rewatching the Hopkins fight with Joe and you see nothing from Joe. I don't even really think he won that fight after rewatching it. Joe does not have a ko at 175 either.

 

Who knows what the truth is, but there is no denying that Tito's hands looked "heavy", literally. Like he was swinging a weight around.

 

Told ya.

 

JOE CALZAGHE (25)
ILLUMINATI (UD)
Erratic (UD)
Haymaker (UD)
Neil (TKO)
jaws1216 (UD)
TKO (UD)
Matchup_Analyzer (TKO 9-10)
royjonesp4pno1 (UD)
whiskey (UD)
V10 (UD)
Ugotabe Kidding (KO2 ::)
mikE (TKO 5)
Xplosive (UD)
adamiw (TKO 9)
mexican wedding shirt (TKO 10)
Roll With The Punches (UD)
Pascals Wager (SD)
Baron (SD)
Punk (Close Dec.)
boxingnotboxers (Close UD)
Hut*Hut (TKO 10)
Jake (UD)
Joony (UD)
Trplsec (UD)
Bob.N.Weave (beats his ass easy - but not in THAT sense, LOK)

ROY JONES (13)
KuaKipRrr (UD)
Free Ike (UD)
The Genius (UD)
LOK (UD/Late Stoppage/Will Fuck, Rape and Shit On Joe)
Joe King (TKO 7)
bigdawg (UD?)
D-MAN (TKO)
atomicdOGg (TKO 8)
TysonFan4Ever (Easy KO)
Victory (Dec)
JayDawg (TCB)
Explosivo (Controversial Dec.)
Streetfighter (Roy is going to win, so says 24/7 and their last respective fights)


DONNYBROOKING (2)
DSimon (Jones will be better fighter by night's end, doesn't trust the judges... who the fuck are ya pickin'?!)
Double L (I Hate Sloppy)

 

dude. have you ever watched amateur boxing? there's plenty of knock-outs. especially when you consider that the quality of fighters is on a whole much lower with less experience.

you don't know shyte. but for some reason you like to talk out of your azz.

 

Joe slaps to give the illusion that he has fast hands. But he'll slip in a left hand here or there that is obviously very powerful. The guy has power. He's just privy to the ignorance of fans running rampant who put so much emphasis on hand-speed, so he fakes it with his doggy-paddle slapping. But he can't throw with speed like SRL or RJJ who have natural hand-speed.

But when he does slip in a power punch - one he actually turns over, he has good power, definitely superior to Tito's at this point.

 

there are (or at least were) plenty of knockouts, sure. But how many notable amateur fighters have an overwhelming KO percentage? That's the point steve_dave is making.

 

ok. so take away that as one of the indicators that Tito obviously loaded his gloves. does it remove any doubt that he did? did you see the left hook he knocked Joppy down with? it was fully extended and thrown with no leverage - it was as if he hit him with a morning star. and it landed with his arm fully extended. without a weighted glove there's no possibile way that punch could've hurt Joppy, let alone knocked him down.

so Glen Johnson (who's not even known for his punching power) can KO RJJ but Tito can't? Face it. Tito's punching power was completely manufactured.

 

Roy was shot vs Glen..

now he is UN Shot!

unless he loses

 

So you are suggesting that there are just as many KOs in ammy boxing as pro?

 

Especially when talking about Tito - a guy with a reputation as a slow starter and a late round puncher.

 

How do you explain Tommy Hearns lack of knockouts at the amateur level? With no headgear?

Was he loading his gloves too once he became pro?

Or could it be simply because he became a man in the pros and refined his technique? Maybe the same can be said of Tito? Couldn't that be a possibility?

 

Not when you've made your mind up on something.

 

Wasn't Trinidad 18 when he turned pro?

 

Well, so basically, Double L is wondering why a teenager could KO people as brutally as when he became a man... I don't know but that seems pretty unfair to me.

I don't think Tito was loading his gloves or that would mean a lot of cornermen were either bribed or completely incompetent when he was wrapping his gloves before all the championship fights he had during his career...

 

He was seventeen, I just checked on Boxrec...

 

He beat Lacy half to death. Downplaying Calzaghes win over Lacy is dumb. Calzaghe could have taken a shit in the ring and told Lacy to eat it and he would have.

 

Calzaghe by decision. I think Jones could win, but I suspect he will spend more time trying to avoid being hurt than actually try to win the fight.