Firepower over 1 million buys

Pacquiao fought a much more marketable opponent (multiple PPV headliner) who was ranked no worse than the 3rd best welter in the world. Floyd fought a blown up lightweight who has never headlined a PPV on his own. Floyd still drew a million buys.... while competing with a PPC UFC card, i might add

What did Pac draw against Marquez?

 

what's a PPC card? the UFC card was free.

 

R U Whipping Out your Big, 12 Inch, Burden of PROOF???...Or R U SPECULATING like Everybody Else Is???...



REED:hammert:

 

PPV card, smartass. And UFC 105, which "competed" with Pac-Cotto was free. UFC 103, which competed with Floyd-Marquez was not free, it was a PPV card that actually got about 400,000 buys, nice try tho you get a D for effort.

http://mmapayout.com/2009/09/ufc-103-400000-buys-meltzer/

 

Perfectly logical if Pac wasn't a MUCH bigger draw now than he was then, especially considering what he just did to Cotto. You will just never admit that it's stupid to expect any LW fighter to outdraw a WW fighter. Historically speaking, it never happens. Please tell me that it is not impressive that Manny was the biggest draw EVER below 147. What was Floyd drawing at 130 pounds? Oh wait, he didn't have a single PPV until Gatti, which STILL did not outdraw JMM vs Pac II. Floyd only did 340K against a big draw in Gatti, in Atlantic City no less. You love to quote Pac's old numbers but you are ignoring the fact that he has grown as a draw quite a bit. I'm not quoting Gatti numbers and claiming Floyd isn't a draw, that wouldn't be fair now would it? He is obviously a bigger draw now than he was right? So why isn't the same true for Pac?

There is no use arguing about it, you know Pac is a huge draw and so is Floyd. 50-50 is fair.

 

The most PPV buys in the history of the sport below 147 is what he drew.


What did Floyd draw at 130? He wasn't even on PPV yet and the Gatti fight drew 340K. Should we base his drawing power on that?

You guys are fucking out of your minds.

 

huh? actually, since 105 was free, it would've cut even more into Pacquiao/Cotto than a UFC PPV did, PBF/JMM. get it?

 

So Floyd hasn't grown as a draw? Seems to me using the Gatti fight as a comparison he has grown at a higher rate than Pac even

 

Floyd was in THE HIGHEST Grossing PPV Ever, yet Fans like YOU REFUSE to Accept it...Floyd vs. Dela OUTSOLD Dela vs. Pac, Dela vs. Tito, Dela vs. Bernard, Dela vs. Chavez & EVERY SINGLE OTHER Dela Fight...Yet U HONESTLY Expect Us to Believe that Floyd WASN'T a Factor in that???...

Moreso, Despite CONSISTENTLY OUTSELLING Manny Pac Against COMMON OPPONENTS, we're Supposed to GRANT Pac PARITY???...

YOU Guys R Fucking Out of YOUR Minds...




REED:shit:

 

said this earlier but had to edit and re-edit... you responded before the re-edit

PPV card, smartass. And UFC 105, which "competed" with Pac-Cotto was free. UFC 103, which competed with Floyd-Marquez was not free, it was a PPV card that actually got about 400,000 buys, nice try tho you get a D for effort.

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Floyd-JMM was competing with a legitimate UFC card on PPV. Pac-Cotto was competing with a throw away free card on spike that could be recorded by anyone and watched later

 

Yep...It was UFC 103 if REED's Not Mistaken, UFC's 1st Trip to Dallas...


REED:hammert:

 

and that card did 400,000 buys

 

Who would Pacman fight that would generate more buys than Mayweather - Mosely ?

 

Pac deserves Parity, no doubt about it. I'm not saying Mayweather is not a draw, you are saying he's a much bigger draw than Pac and that is just nonsense. Right now, they are both big draws and I'm telling you that Pac is not taking anything less than half, I fucking guarantee it.

I'm NOT saying Floyd is not a draw, he proved he is, but so has Pac. If it's too fucking hard for you to comprehend that Pac is a much bigger draw now than he was in previous fights then there is no helping you.

 

Neither guy has a more lucrative option, they need eachother for the biggest pay day. They could both do big numbers fighting Mosley though, only thing is there is only one of them that would take that fight. I'll give you one guess. ::

 

When has REED Said that Pac ISN'T a Draw???...REED has NEVER Said that...What REED is Doing is FACTUALLY ILLUSTRATING WHY Pac DOESN'T Deserve Parity w/Floyd Mayweather, a Guy that's PROVEN to B a BIGGER Draw than Pac...

YOU KNOW Good & Well that if Pac OUTSOLD Floyd vs. Common Opponents, Floyd WOULDN'T Have a Leg To Stand On Demanding Parity...Yet Since it's Pac on the SHORT End of that Stick & Everybody LIKES him, while LOATHING Floyd, we're Supposed to OVERLOOK LOGIC & COMMON SENSE???:shit:...

Fuck That...




REED:hammert:

 

I don't think the question should be 'Is Floyd a draw?'. I think it should be 'Why is Floyd a draw?'

Sure, he's a great fighter, but his fights aren't all that fan friendly, and he's not really a likable guy. There's no question that he sells PPV's, but I don't understand why. I guess a lot of people pay in hopes of seeing him get KO'd.


TFK

 

I see your point REED and I'm not arguing that Mayweather is not a draw. You just refuse to admit that with Pac's last performance he may have caught up. Nobody is saying that Pac has always been a huge draw, he's been a respectable draw since 130 pounds though. Mayweather needs this fight as much as Pac does. He doesn't do near the numbers fighting anyone not named Manny. Same goes for Manny. 50-50

 

Two things.

1) REED, you're actually arguing in defense of this fight not happening. You don't see anything wrong with that?

2) If you really want to argue those Pay Per View numbers from years ago, then that's fine. Pacquiao is getting more popular while Mayweather is getting less popular.

 

I think that is the least relevant part of it all. However, it seems to me that since Floyd draws because people pay to watch him lose, and Pac draws (less) because (less) people pay to see him win - seems like people are forgetting the end result here: Floyd draws more, regardless of the motives

 

Well then you shouldn't be shocked when you see that his pay per view numbers since Oscar have been dropping.

 

Bullshit...

In EVERY OTHER Negotiation, PREVIOUS PPV #'s R Used, R they Not???...Yet in THIS Case we're Supposed to ALTER the Way Things R Usually Done???...

REED WANTS this Fight to Happen...& REED has MANY of the Same GRIPES that Floyd HATERS have, but that DOESN'T Mean that He Should All of a Sudden Accept UNFAIR Terms that NO OTHER Fighter would Accept, just for the Sake of a Fight....In ANY OTHER Case, if a Guy OUTSELLS U Against Common Opponents he WILL GET The Lion's Share of the Split...YOU, REED & EVERY OTHER Poster Here KNOWS that to B TRUE...

Floyd just Did 1 Million Buys Against an UNDERSIZED Opponent that Fans KNEW Would LOSE the Fight...Whether Floyd is Getting More or Less "Popluar" is IRRELEVANT...Fans STILL Want to WATCH Him, that's for SURE...



REED:hammert:

 

As far as I knew - Floyd-JMM outsold Floyd-Hatton

 

Floyd-Marquez OUTSOLD Floyd-Hatton, Didn't it???....



REED:hammert:

 

How many times have you been involved in negotiations for a pay per view fight?

It's not bullshit. A year ago, you had a case. That's not the case anymore. There's two kings in boxing now, and you have no case to say what's unfair and what's not.

If Pac got 60% and Floyd got 40%, you would complain. If Floyd got 60% and Pac got 40% Alabama Man wouldn't. That's a fact.

Stop pretending to be Al Haymon.

 

Excuse me. Floyd plateaud just under 1,000,000 while Pacquiao just outsold that.

 

Really? People are ALREADY complaining about it, saying that PBF doesn't deserve a higher or an EVEN split.

 

How Many Times have YOU Been Involved in them YOURSELF, Arben???...Not Really Sure where your Attitude is Coming From, But SPARE REED your "Pulling Rank" BULLSHIT, Alright Mr. Merchant???...REED Ain't Got Time for it, Homey...

When a Guy has OUTSOLD You vs. Common Opponents AND Did a Million Buys in his Most Recent Fight (Against a SMALLER Foe that NOBODY Expected to Win), that's CHURCH...NOfuckingWAY does a Guy Get MORE than You...

As of yet NONE of ya'll have Answered the Question of Whether this would Even B Up for Debate if It was Pac that had OUTSOLD Floyd vs. Common Opponents...That's Because Ya'll KNOW Pac would CLEARLY Demand & ACCEPT the Lion's Share...Wouldn't Matter if he Outsold Floyd "Last Year" or whatever Other BULLSHIT Criteria U Want to Use...

Bama Wouldn't Complain Because he KNOWS Floyd has OUTSOLD Pac Against Common Opponents...It's NOT a Difficult to Grasp...


REED:hammert:

 

50-50...but if Pacquiao wants to make the fight happen at Pacweight then he need to give in some...55-45...but with the condition in the contract if Mayweather doesn't make Pacweight..he will be charge 2 million for each pound