Firepower over 1 million buys

everybody wants to be mark taffet. no official numbers have been released as far as the pacquiao cotto buy rate, yet.

 

& Cotto had NATHAN to Do w/that, Right???...


REED:shit:

 

I think that's out of spite for floyd making up every excuse known to man as to why he shouldn't fight Pacquiao.

I don't think floyd deserves less than 50, that's for sure.

I think it should be an even split, but wouldn't care about the split either way. I just want to see the fight.

 

REED is simply trying to preempt the backlash that will occur when PBF's messed up ego dictates that he demands an unfair share of the money resulting in the fight's not getting made.

 

I'm sure Cotto helped just like Marquez helped with being the only significant mexican boxer.

And like I said earlier. Cotto isn't a big sell, himself.

 

the proof is there. marquez brings less to the table than cotto does in terms of pay per view, and live gate. your speculation runs contrary to the actual evidence.

 

That's irrelevant.

Pacman Vs Marquez was pre Hatton and Oscar.

Floyd Vs Marquez was not only post Hatton and Oscar, but it was a comeback fight, which naturally have more interest than your average fight.

 

Once for a major pay per view, I was a fly on the wall during negotiations. I'm not pulling rank. I'm just stating that you're "Outsold vs. common opponents" argument holds no water.

Pacquiao's last fight will outsell Floyd's last fight.

If the tables were turned, I really wouldn't care. I think 50/50 would be nice. I don't think anyone deserves more than the other.



FYI...If the early predictions on Pacquiao-Cotto sales are way off and Pacquiao doesn't beat Floyd's numbers against Marquez, then Floyd deserves more.

 

He's a BIGGER Sell than Marquez is, that's for Sure...& Even You & Your Supposed PPV Wisdom CAN'T Deny that...


REED:hammert:

 

fair enough - then the best fight to use for comparison would be Ricky Hatton, right? Common opponent, both fights came after a big PPV win over Oscar. Who got more PPV buys in the Hatton fight?

 

Again, Cotto doesn't even sell out the garden on his own. That doesn't mean he brings nothing to the table.

I do think that he brings more to the table than Marquez does, but the mexican viewing audience is huge. Denying that would be insane, because the evidence proves that.

 

Being a "Fly on the Wall" ALLOWS for Speculation, Apparently...



REED::

 

The best fight to use is the ones that just happened 2 months apart.

And they're not far off either. I expect that Pacquiaos will outsell floyds, and that's why I think 50/50 is ideal.

 

So me viewing negotiations for a large pay per view and seeing that they don't sit on one argument of "common opponents" means nothing?

ok.

I've viewed regular HBO and Showtime negotiations as well, just for the record.

 

I think Marquez played a big role in ppv sales,because it was on a mexican holiday was it not?

 

That's a far more legit comparison. And fair play, Floyd outsold him on that one. It was close though, wasn't it like 850,000 to 950,000?

As you probably know, Hatton has a huge amount of support here in England. Brits not only order his PPV's, but thousands of them spend hundreds of pounds flocking to Vegas to watch him fight.

And yep Pacman's most recent fight outsold that. That shows Pacquiao's popularity is on the rise.

And while Cotto is a more popular fighter, it was evened out somewhat by what I said, a comeback fight after a (pseudo) retirement has more buzz than just your average PPV match.

"You're only as good as your last fight".

"You're only as good as your last PPV sales".

Pacman wins in both cases :kidcool:

 

Cotto is a much more marketable opponent than Marquez and brings way more to the table.

Cotto can't sell out MSG... can JMM sell any seats in MSG?

 

When Cotto is @ MSG he's CLEARLY the ATTRACTION...Shit, he Fought a NATIVE New Yorker in MSG AND a Transplanted New Yorker, yet it was Still CLEARLY a Cotto-Crowd...

So when Cotto Fought Sugar Shane, was it Casamayor, Maussa, Margarito or Ortiz that "Helped" Him Sell Tickets???...When he Fought Zab, was it Yuri BOREman, Bobby Pacquiao or Chavez Jr. that "Helped" him Sell Tickets???...For the Clottey Fight, was it Ivan Calderon who "Helped" him Sell Tickets???...

Apparently, YOU have ALL the Fucking Answers, so How Bout Breaking it Down for Us, Mr. Answer Man....




REED:hammert:

 

Not to mention the fact that anybody who knew anything knew that the early numbers for the orignal date were tracking HORRIBLY.

 

And over a couple of thousand tickets went unsold.

 

Doesn't Arum usually refuse to release the numbers or was that just for Pacquiao-Hatton?

 

Not when it's a "Comeback" Fight Against a SMALLER, LAME DUCK Opponent that WASN'T a PPV Draw n the 1st Place...NO Fighter is ever SOLELY Responsible for his PPV Sales, but Floyd is CLOSER to Being SOLELY Responsible for the Marquez Sales than Pac is for the Cotto Sales....



REED:hammert:

 

I agree with you for the most part here - certainly not your last three sentences. I do think the Hatton fight is the fairest comparison, where Floyd did outsell Pac, not by a big margin but he outsold nonetheless.

I don't think the factors you laid out make Pac-Cotto vs. Floyd-JMM anywhere near even. Pac was fighting a much more marketable opponent, who has proven draws WAY more interest than JMM

 

Arum can't really do shit because HBO have to release them.

 

I don't care who gets what, and I don't see why anyone else should care who gets what, because the ONLY thing that matter is if the fight gets made.

There is a very real risk that the ego's of BOTH parties, and yes, despite his public contrition and humility, Manny can be as much of a stickler as Floyd can, might get in the way of this fight happening, and such a situation should not be allowed to come to pass.

One of these guys should take 60-40 if needs must, because 40% of whatever this fight brings in is likely to be more money that any other man has ever made for a fight in the history of the sport.

The math is simple really:

40% of three million plus US PPV sales and countless millions from the rest of the world; or

50% of nothing.

MTF :warning:

 

None of his fights sold out the Garden. Not even the Mosley fight and not even his fights that take place the night before Pureto Rican day.

No need to get angry, either, dude.

 

Depends on WHAT PPV Fight U were the Fly on the Wall for...If U're HONESTLY Telling REED that PPV Sales vs. Common Opponents is NEVER Factored into a PPV Negotiation, REED is Calling BULLSHIT...



REED:shit:

 

It is worth remembering, though, that Hatton was unbeaten prior to the Floyd fight. His '0' brought a lot of 'casual' boxing fans into proceedings and contributed heavily to sales.

Even in the UK, where Hatton could sell a million PPV's if he was fighting his mother wearing 111oz gloves, his sales figures declined reasonably sharply after he lost to Floyd.

MTF

 

Does that Make him Any LESS of an Attraction???...Does that Mean his Sales Wouldn't DEFECATE on Any Attempted MSG Sales for a JM Marquez Headliner???...

Dude, U've Been a SMARTASS Since Yesterday...REED Let the Shit SLIDE Then, but Since U're Sucking your Own Dick w/that "Fly on the Wall" Shit, EXPECT some Beef in Return...Stay in YOUR Fucking Lane & REED'll Stay in His...



REED:hammert:

 

Bottom Line, REED COULDN'T Care Less about Floyd's Take Either...It's NOT like REED will See a Dime of it....But if Floyd DOESN'T Want to Do 50-50 he has SOLID REASONING & JUSTIFICATION for it...Anything in the 55% Range or LESS is a JUSTIFIABLE Take for Floyd...Now if he Starts Going to the HIGH 50 or 60% Range, he's Being a Bitch & REED'll B 1st in Line to CRITICIZE Him...

But Under NO Circumstances Should Manny Pac Get MORE than Floyd & if Floyd Wants Something in the 51-55% Range he DESERVES That Based on the #'s....



REED:hammert: