Floyd Mayweather can't be that dumb/arrogant/ignorant

How many Henry Armstrong aves have you seen?

 

Good, objective work Mister REED.

MTF :bears:

 

oh yes he can.

 

Because Hearns lost virtually every big fight he was in! AND, Iran Barkley had his number.

Ray was smacked around by Norris and Camacho, but He came back to upset Hagler (in some opinions), knocked out Lalonde, jacked up Hearns and got retribution against Duran....... And whupped Floyd Sr. for good mearsure!opcorn:

 

Yeah but look at what he did to Duran then consider that Duran-Hagler was a close fight...came down to the last two or three rounds on the scorecards.

And again...

Hearns is another guy who fought EVERYONE. That's what happens when you're constantly rubbing up against the best of your day. Doesn't make Hearns less of a fighter.

I'd rather have Tommy's place in boxing history than Calzaghe's or Sven Ottke's.

 

No, it does not make him any less of a fighter, but he loss almost all of the time in his biggest fights. We can talk about common opponents between Hearns and Duran; Hagler did have problems with Duran, in which whom, Hearns destroyed in two short rounds. Hagler dusted Hearns off in three rounds, so the common opponent comparison does not matter.

 

The point here is to shit on Floyd (stick with the program ld:)

I'm saying Hearns fought everyone and had mixed results. artie:

 

floyd is just saying what he needs to say to sell the fight, he doesn't in his heart really believe he's greater or better than muhammad ali and ray robinson. the face of boxing phonetap's ass...if ali walked into the same room with mayweather no one would even notice floyd was even there. shit, you can also say the same for mike tyson. floy'd popularity is no where near as great as he thinks...

 

This is where PBF does not get enough credit. He talks this type of shit so that people will constantly talk shit about him. He has so many haters out there which means he's doing his job! I'll Holla 5000

 

This is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure Hearns lost to Hagler and Leonard (the first time), but he also defeated Benitez, Duran, and Hill. Hill wasn't a great fighter, but he was the best LH around and Hearns was an aging former Welter who few gave a chance of winning. And even Leonard admits that he and Hearns are 1-1 despite the crappy decision in their rematch.

Hearns fought a lot of quality opposition, and some of it included some of the best fighters of all time. And he won some and lost some against that opposition, which is what happens when you tangle with the best around on a regular basis.

Hearns represented what is good about boxing. He fought quality opposition, he came back multiple times from losses that would have ruined other fighters to enjoy more success, he had big wins, and he almost always put on an exciting show.

 

Well what do you expect? Fraud is a f*cking midget. Like 5'7, 147lbs or so. Ali was 6'3, 220 or about that. He'd tear this faggot bitch motherf*cker alive!
Faggot Fraudweather would stand in the corner like a good little boy if Ali or Tyson were up in his room.

 

Guys Shane hasn't fought:

Lightweight

Johnston
Castillo

Welterweight

Whitaker
Trinidad
Quartey
Judah
Spinks
Williams
Cintron

Jnr Welterweight

Hatton
Judah
Tszyu


Why don't we judge Shane the same way as we do Floyd?

 

Legacy don't pay bills.

 

the problem is, Floyd wants to be loved.

Sly's provides enough for all of us.

:laughing:

 

Almost every one of those guys fought nearly everyone in their era. I don't have a beef with any of the greats of that era, including Hearns; however, I still think there may be an argument of some, if not all of those guys, kinda soughta avoided (not ducked) Arron Pryor.

 

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Johnston - Wasn't interested in fighting Shane.
Castillo - won lightweight title from Johnston a full year after Shane moved to 147 with an eye on fighting Oscar

Junior Welterweights...

Dumbass argument. Shane never fought at 140...completely skipped the division to fight bigger guys. It's retarded to say he ducked guys who were a weight class below. Floyd DID fight at 140.

Quartey...lost to Oscar a few months before Shane moved to welterweight then lost to Vargas a year later, Shane beat Oscar a few months later. After Quartey lost to Vargas he basically retired. Fought three or four years after the Vargas fight. Another retarded point.

Whitaker...did you see Whitaker vs Trinidad in early 1999? Whitaker had been out for well over a year...almost two years before coming back against Trinidad. Don't forget, Mosley's debut at 147 was a week after Trinidad-DLH.

Trinidad - moved to 154 in 2000, Shane beat Oscar in 2000, in 2001 Trinidad entered the middleweight tournament. ironically, King wanted to make Trinidad vs Mosley at 154 but Mosley ran into Winky Wright and lost. That's how Trinidad wound up fighting Mayorga the week after Johnson KO'd Roy.

Spinks, Judah and Cintron - when they were at 147 Shane was fighting at 154 KOing Vargas. Don't forget, Mosley-Judah fell through in 2008 when Judah cut himself. When was Cintron supposed to fight Shane in between getting bounced off the canvas by Margarito. in fact, I believe Shane fought David Estrada on the ESPN card the same night Margarito raped Cintron the first time.

Williams - Williams beat Margarito in 2007 a few months before Shane lost to Cotto...the Mosley win set Margarito on the path to fight Cotto. Williams lost to Quintana in his very next fight. Shane moved back up to 154 to KO Mayorga. Williams and Mosley crossed paths...Mosley moved down to 147 to fight Margarito and Williams moved up to 154.

The key piece in all of this...Margarito and Cotto were considered the best welterweights out there...Shane fought both while Floyd "retired" rather than fight either.

Plus, Floyd had a title at 154 and opted to drop it to fight Hatton who'd previously looked like shit at 147...not another welterweight. THAT'S why Floyd's accused of ducking those guys.

To make matters worse...Floyd openly campaigned for rematches against Hatton AND Oscar rather than fight Margarito or Cotto. Not to mention, Floyd had an offer on the table to fight Margarito and turned it down. Lastly, Floyd put Winky Wright's name in his mouth and when Wink called him on it Floyd shut the fuck up instantly.

That's how it went down.

Any additional questions? Does this clear up everything for you?

 

The only problem with Pryor is he fought at 140...didn't come up to see those guys before the drugs ruined him.

 

It's not like Pryor was not willing to move up. Pryor campaigned to fight Leonard to no avail. Pryor was a desperate man, all it would have taken was a contract with one of the greats and he would have been all in.

 

while that's true, Pryor's signature win came against Arguello which was right around the time Leonard was retiring from the detached retina.

The Arguello KO's put him on the map...most tie his legacy to those fights but Leonard wasn't available and Hearns and Duran had gone to 154.

 

You shouldn't have a "beef". That was an exciting a time as boxing has ever had.

Nope. That's a myth. Pryor didn't even become relevant in the big fight picture until he beat Arguello. AND...Pryor was the underdog in that fight. By the time Pryor barely got past Arguello, Leonard was out due to his eye injury and Hearns, Benitez and Duran were all going at it at 154 with Hagler being the ultimate goal of all of them with Leonard out of commission...not because they were "scared" of Aaron Pryor.

Not only did Hearns take on Hagler, but he wanted ANOTHER shot at Hagler after getting stopped by him in 3. And somehow he's afraid of Pryor?? Nope. Not buying it.

 

Who said he was afraid?? That's why I said avoided, not ducked. They avoided Pryor because there was no serious money to be made. It's pretty obvious, none of those guys were afraid of anyone, they just wanted to get paid well for the risks against other great fighters.

I just think the money to fight Pryor would not have been worth the risk of losing, not getting compensated properly and going back to the back of the line and waiting for another shot at glory.

 

He may have the talent.

But he has not got the resume, & there is no evidence to suggest that he has the heart, or the willingness to seek out the greatest available challenges.

As such, he is a great talent but falls well short of being a great fighter in the same sense that Ali was a great fighter

 

When you say they "avoided" Pryor, you are insinuating that they made an effort to not to fight him. Just because a fight did not happen between fighters whose careers overlapped doesn't mean that one was avoided. Words like "ducked" and "avoided" (which mean pretty much the same thing) are among the most misused among boxing fans.

The reality was that Pryor wasn't relevant enough to be part of the picture at 147. At the time of Leonard-Hearns I, Pryor had won his Jr. Welterweight title and made a few defenses against some nothing special fighters but that's about it. He had done nothing to prove he could hang with the best at 147. At least when Duran challenged Leonard, he had moved up to 147 and had some wins there, including a one-sided win over former 147 lb champ Palomino to prove he was legit at 147.

There was no huge clamor for Pryor vs Leonard, Hearns, Duran, or Benitez.
Hell...Pryor was a 2-1 underdog when defending his own 140 lb title against Arguello. And even after Pryor defeated Arguello...it had taken all he had and possibly even a little extra in a special bottle to do so. And this is the guy who was being "avoided" by some of the best Welters of all time. Nope.

You're trying to make Pryor sound like some 80's version of Charley Burley. Which wasn't the case at all.

 

I don't think he believes a word he's saying. I think he's piling it on to rile people, & he's no longer attempting to make it subtle. Also, how can one be, "more talented" at skill? They're totally separate.

 

Yep.

 

Don't you talk to Sly like that! He's a hardcore Mosley fan.

 

Twas a good post that. Twas.