Floyd Mayweather offers to pay for Joe Frazier's funeral

Floyd had ALREADY hugged and kissed Ortiz and accepted his apology. This was BEFORE the ref deducted the point. He then touched gloves with Ortiz a second time (didn't even need to have to then)...and then Ortiz wanted another hug after that!!! Enough is enough man. It's a fight not a male bonding exercise.

 

I remember at the time trying to think of what great fighter in the past would have done what PBF did, & Duran was the only one that came to mind.

 

what would harry greb have done?

 

Hopkins did it in the second Echols fight. I don't recall complaints from you.

Eubank against Benn in the rematch was even worse: he put his hand out as if to touch gloves and tried to nail Benn the moment Nigel returned the favour. Very cheap!

Rock Newman strangles Tillery in a headlock against the ropes and Bowe goes after him. Now THAT'S CHEAP!

 

You seem to be taking a particularly long route to challenge my claim:
"I'm sure that most all time greats from the past would not have done what Floyd did."

Maybe as an exercise you can list all the great's from the past & ask who would have & would would not have done what PBF did & make it into a thread...

If you do, I'm pretty sure that I'd find myself choosing a majority of greats who wouldn't.
However it may prove that most here dissagree with me, which may suggest bias on my part.

 

Robinson, Armstrong, hagler, Leonard, Hearns and every agressive fighter in the history of teh game would have done the same given the situation.

 

You've defined two acts as cheapshots and likened them to what PBF did.
Is this your way of saying that what PBF did was not a cheap shot?

I'd be very impressed if you could recall anything that I wrote on this message board around the time of Hops-Echols II. Can't remember specifically my self.
I can tell you that I have definately been very critical of Hopkin's bitch tactics & fouling in the past.

 

I dissagree with that entire post.
So do I understand correctly that you think that it was not a disgrace, or a cheapshot from PBF?

 

What Floyd did wasn't a cheap shot. What those guys did was. I'm definitely contrasting what he did from what they did.

Sequence of events:

1. Vicious E-Honda headbutt from Ortiz- Flagrant foul
2. Timeout is called
3. The fighters did their apologies and hugs, kisses and forgiveness
4. Cortez deducts a point...time goes by
5. Cortez calls "time in" and waves them back in to fight
6. Ortiz wants to touch gloves again, Floyd reciprocates
7. Ortiz starts feeling affectionate and wants to hug again
8. Floyd gives him a warning left hook
9. Ortiz looks at the ref instead of covering up, moving or trying to fight back
10. Floyd knocks him the fuck out with a right hand

Please tell me what Mayweather did wrong.

 

First off there are hella broke athletes. Some r even homeless. Why is it the responsibility of certain athletes to take care of those athletes. Inst it the responsibilty of that athletes family. Also why blame floyd for not helping joe whe he was homeless. What about ali and foreman. how come they did they didnt assist joe. And u better believe prior to floyd announcing it on twitter he got clearance from the fraizer family. I'll Holla 5000

 

Floyd is all business in the ring, Ortiz fucked around in the wrong fight and his fairy ass got exactly what was coming to him.. nothing more, nothing less. I loved it, personally. And yeah, it's exactly what some of my favorite fighters of all time (Roberto Duran, Erik Morales) would have done.

 

Not a fan of Floyd (the man, love the boxer), but he was well within his rights to do what he did. In fact I applaud him for doing it, at the end of the day it's a fucking fight, not Brokeback Mountain 2. I'm a bigger Pacquiao fan but I'd rather see someone do what Mayweather did to Ortiz than what Pacquiao did (or didn't do) against Mosley.

 

Still paying, you motherfuckers! All of you! :warning:

 

I like the notion of the "warning left hook". If only Ortiz had taken heed in that split second before the second punch in the 2 punch combo landed....

It seems as though you're saying that PBF's actions are mitigated by the actions of Ortiz.
For me, he reacted to Ortiz's disgraceful behaviour with his own disgraceful behaviour,

I don't buy for a second that the fighters you mentioned would have acted the same way in the same circumstances. I think that was bourne out in interviews with fighters afterwards.
It was a cheapshot, unsportsman-like & another black-eye for boxing.

Do you think that PBF's actions were a good advertisment for boxing & a good example of how a great fighter should conduct himself (in those circumstances)?
What do you think when you see a fighter who could take opportunistic shot when a fighter may have for example lost his footing and chooses not to?
Do you think that is good sportmanship., or a missed opportunity?

What do you think of Frazier's conduct when he could have hit Bunger when he was on the way down but chose not to, or Stander?
-good sportmanship., or a missed opportunity?

 

This is a lame phrase.

Otherwise, argue on...

 

Agreed on the phrase.
Done with the arguing I think.

 

Floyd hitting a man that doesn't want to fight when the ref calls time in and someone hitting a guy on the way down or losing his footing are very different things entirely. You've lost the plot.

Nothing "disgraceful" about what he did.

 

I agree. giving a guy a headbutt that could have opened a fight ending gash, broke a orbital bone or smashed a nose is far worse. Why aren't people talking about this more?

 

I know what your (and a lot of others) plot is:
"Ortiz got what he deserved"

You think that on that basis, PBF's act was not a disgraceful act.

For me, he reacted to Ortiz's disgraceful behaviour with his own disgraceful behaviour,

I don't buy for a second that the fighters you mentioned would have acted the same way in the same circumstances. I think that was borne out in interviews with fighters afterwards.

It was a cheapshot & unsportsman-like.

I don't think that PBF's actions were a good advertisment for boxing & a good example of how a great fighter should conduct himself (in those circumstances).

None of this is to say that Ortiz wasn't a total quitting bitch.

 

Fuck that prissified bullshit, Ortiz FLAGRANTLY fouled Floyd and even after that Floyd made nice. He responded more than appropriately to the glove touching and hugging. Once it was over, he had no obligation to spend the rest of the round obliging Ortiz in a lovefest. Floyd's actions certainly must be viewed in light of Ortiz's, any FIGHTER who catches a butt like that is going to look for payback. Floyd got his payback, and he did it clean to boot.

 

that's my point... just hit the fucking homo and get it over with

 

they wouldn't have hugged the guy in the first place

 

my issue isn't punking Ortiz... it's making out with him two times THEN punking him

the idea of Duran even accepting the first invitation to mate, never mind the second one, is preposterous

He would have sneered at it and gone straight for the foul

 

seems like some here wouldve been more pleased if mayweather jr caused it to turn into a bowe tillery situation

 

No, I just don't like when its portrayed as this Duran-like maneuver, eye-for-an-eye style.

It clearly fucking wasn't... He commiserated with him like "hey we're pals" two fucking times before unloading the shot

If he'd have clocked him with that hook the first time Ortiz tried to make out with him, then I would buy the "payback" angle

 

The ref hadn't called "time in" at that point. I doubt Floyd wanted to notch his first loss by DQ to Victor Ortiz. The second time he just touched gloves with him and then unloaded on him.

 

he should have said "fuck that" to the extended gloves and started punching

Ortiz is a pathetic piece of trash

 

They were both pathetic that night...and Joe Cortez but that is the norm

 

word.

 

Agreed. But why crucify Floyd for being sporting?