Floyd Mayweather said he's taking a couple of years off from boxing...

Well if it was a ploy to get Manny to agree to the tests then it has paid off (if you can believe Arum).

By the same token, was it conicidence that Floyd started talking about taking a year off once It became clear Manny will retire after this year?

Assuming what Arum says is true, the fight should be on. If Manny has agreed to the testing then it's up to Floyd now.

 

Because it Could've SPARED Us from Seeing Pac-Clottey???:dunno:...



REED::

 

I spared myself that.

 

If Manny really does retire after his next fight, then anyone with a brain will know why he didn't fight PBF in March.

 

my bet is on Pacquaio fighting Mosley next and KOing him quickly

 

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...

Someone please wake me if and when they actually fight.

 

So it's actually Arum/Manny's timing that should be in question here.
Nice work.

 

And what exactly is my agenda REED? Indifference? That's about the only thing I've shown regarding Manny and Floyd fighting each other lately.

 

Not being privy to the inner bowels of the negotiation, I don't know for sure what has been accepted by either camp. So it is hard to say definitively that one guy or the other is to blame for this or that, and I am sure that everything "leaked" or publicly stated is spun hard.

However... If Floyd actually retires without fighting Manny, and it is indeed true that there was general agreement on everything major INCLUDING the drug testing (from what I understand, the 14 day cutoff) .. then my hatred of him Floyd will rise to a new level. It will transcend human emotion and will being to approach a metaphysical hatred only before known amongst the gods.

All the potential good that the enhanced drug testing could do for boxing will be damaged BEYOND REPAIR if it turns out that it is only being used as a technique to dodge fights, annoy the fuck out of opponents, and gain leverage at negotiation. This issue will be set back a decade if that is the case. I am not naive. I realize that there are many reason besides "cleaning up the sport" that Floyd is doing this. But I think one of the reasons actually was/is the sentiment that some fighters were regularly cheating and Floyd wanted to make sure his opponents couldn't do that. He had the leverage, his opponents want the $$$, and so it works out fine.

In fact, bringing attention to the issue has stirred some great debate. A few of the athletic commissions were reviewing their policies, and I think that in general boxing fans woke up to what is an embarrassing problem in their sport. Why wait until boxing gets yet another black eye and ends up like baseball, loaded with "champs" whose breakfasts consist of pills and syringes?

But the minute it all looks like the whole drug test thing was dirty underhanded tricks used by asshole fighters, it will die and not come back for years. I see now that David Haye might jump on the bandwagon as well and start asking for enhanced testing. THAT is the shit that will kill this forever. Guys who have no fucking intention of EVER getting in the ring with an opponent demanding special drug testing for no reason other than to avoid the fight. Once it seems like that is really what is going on, this whole movement is FINISHED.

Floyd is the lynchpin here. If he bails out of the Pac fight over this bullshit (again, assuming Manny agreed to it) it all crumbles. It will be painted as cowardly scheming, and historically ridiculed. This fucking asshole is going to leave boxing WORSE OFF in the testing department than it was before. Clean up the sport? He will be taking a shit on the sport.

I admit that I have been a supporter of Floyd insofar as the need for better testing in boxing, and I have defended him for his stand on this with Manny. While I think that Manny should agree to no cutoff, if he indeed agreed to a 14 day cutoff (w/random testing), and that is what Floyd was asking for, then I will forevermore RIP Floyd for his pathetic, evil, selfish, paltry, shameful conduct with regard to Pac unless (of course) PBF takes the fight.

If Floyd bails out, or retires, or whatever, such that the fight doesn't happen, I will NEVER relent in expressing my hatred toward Floyd Mayweather Jr. There is room in boxing for negotiation, and there is room for ploys. There is room for "tune-ups" and for selfishness and greed. But there is a point where it becomes unacceptable and disgraceful, and that is when somebody won't get their ass into the fucking RING. And when you call yourself a "boxer" (let alone the best boxer ever), but refuse to get in the fucking ring and FIGHT, then you have crossed the line and I have no use for you.

What a waste of a golden opportunity, and what an act of sheer, self-abasing cowardice. This had better be a ploy, or just Floyd talking out his ass (again). Floyd better wake up, man up, and make this damn fight. I will gladly stay my brewing hatred for Floyd and again defend the need for enhanced drug testing in boxing in his case and in others if he signs on the dotted line and this fight happens in the near future.

But if not, there is simply NO defending this guy ever again.

 

This isn't just on Floyd. Why the hell won't Manny just accept the fucking testing without constantly trying to negotiate the days down? What's the big fucking deal? Even if he loses the fight it's multiple millions in his bank account and what is his alternative, retirement? You mean he can't just accept the testing for whatever it is and fight the biggest fight of his career? He'd rather just retire and let that oppurtunity slip away because of a few days of testing? It's ridiculous.

Either accept the testing or don't, quit fucking negotiating it Manny.

 

Welcome to the real world my friend. Some of us have been trying to invite you here for a while...

MTF

 

It's funny because after all this time Outlander is finally going over to the Manny side and it appears I'm almost going over to the Mayweather side.

 

There's too many assumptions on both sides to make an informed judgement just yet. I suggest that we wait it out before we start condemning either guy.

 

You both made valid points.

Floyd will not be the one to blow this fight. It will happen or Manny will be the one to blame if it doesn't. Not counting legitimate injuries, I guess.

 

Nah, it's been too long. I think I'll start condemning those motherfuckers now.

 

Mayweather's just as guilty though.I think neither one will give in easy to the other and I expected this...I'm surprised most of the people on this board didnt.

 

Sure, but it's fun bringing to light the assumptions of others.

 

How so? Both fought recently and both fought decent challenges. This is just the beginning in a new round of negotiations. No sense in getting wound up until something definitive is announced.

 

Why o why is he retiring

Won't get that much anticipated match-up now for sure

 

Actually I think most did. In fact I made a whole thread explaining them not giving in would be the very reason why this fight would never happen. The reason I condemn Manny is because Floyd made the demand, at the time it could possibly be negotiated away. However once he fought Mosley and already used the tests, there is simply no way he'd back away from it now.

So now Manny either needs to take the tests or just shut the fuck up and go on with his career, because Floyd isn't going to drop the tests now otherwise it'll make him look bad. At least Floyd has a stance and he's sticking to it, as opposed to Manny trying to negotiate around it. If "not letting Floyd dictate things" was really the issue, then Manny wouldn't be trying to negotiate the days down would he? They would have just stuck to their "no test whatsoever" mandate.

 

Floyd is clearly afraid of losing to Pac. He needs to stop running.

 

http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/261736/dela-hoya-it-s-almost-a-done-deal

"In a shocking revelation, Oscar De La Hoya, whose promotional outfit represents Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the negotiations to stage a November 13 fight with Manny Pacquiao, told the Spanish TV station Univision that the superfight is close to being done. "Up until now, it’s been a very difficult negotiation process for various reasons but right now we’re very close,” De La Hoya said in Spanish and translated by fight scribe John Chavez of boxingtruth.com.
The interview took place before the Game Four of the NBA Finals at Staples Center in Los Angeles and De La Hoya, who heads Golden Boy Promotions (G), added that “we’re very close in finalizing the contracts that were once very complicated.”
Since there is no other fight to make but pit Pacquiao and Mayweather together, De La Hoya said “the two fighters now realize that this fight must be made.”
“It has to be made because the boxing fans want to see it happen and right now it’s the biggest fight that can be made in the world,” said De La Hoya, who lost to Mayweather by decision in 2007 and to Pacquiao when he quit on his stool in 2008.
“I think right now we are very, very close in finalizing the contracts. I can’t talk right now in detail about the negotiations but I will say that we are very close,” added De La Hoya.
The past several weeks, the camps of Pacquiao and Mayweather have been mum about the status of talks regarding the fight.
The issue of random drug-testing and purse split are the talking points in the negotiations."

 

ray::cheer::hammert::laughing:

 

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideSports.htm?f=2010/june/15/sports2.isx&d=2010/june/15
"FIGHTER of the Decade Manny Pacquiao returned home with his family on Monday morning from the United States and prepared for his congressional duties by beginning a course at the Development Academy of the Philippines with some members of his team.
Upon his arrival, Pacquiao said that Top Rank promoter Bob Arum was still negotiating to get a Pacman-Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight for a Nov. 13 date in Las Vegas, but that there’s been no word yet.
Pacquiao revealed he is ready to fight anybody, including newly crowned light middleweight champion Miguel Cotto in a rematch or the returning Antonio Margarito.
While Pacquiao remained non-committal on the progress of negotiations for a showdown with Mayweather Jr., Golden Boy owner Oscar De La Hoya claimed that the mega fight is almost done.
But until Golden Boy Promotions’ Richard Schaefer and Arum officially announce an agreement, the boxing world will remain skeptical, although it’s obviously the fight boxing fans and fighters themselves want to see.
De La Hoya didn’t say much in a television interview, but he did say that the undefeated Mayweather and Pacquiao were close to agreeing on the terms for the fight.
There were fears that the two fighters would never face off due to various disputes over drug testing and how the purse would be split.
But Golden Boy chief De La Hoya has revealed both parties are now on the verge of signing contracts.
“I can’t talk right now in detail about the negotiations, but I can say that we are very close. Up until now, it’s been a very difficult negotiation process for various reasons, but right now we’re very close. It’s going to be a big, big fight!”
Meanwhile Keith Kizer, the Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, said the NSAC has made what he termed as “sensible changes” to its policy on drug testing over the years.
“The changes were undertaken to further ensure a clean sport,” said Kizer.
Among those who gave testimony were Dr. Robert Vot, Dr. David Watson, US Anti Doping Agency head Travis Tygart and Patrick English.
The NSAC Executive Director told Manila Standard the NSAC will see where this leads. He also gave the impression that it would take some time before any definitive statement would be made on any action taken.
The public meeting was the offshoot of unsubstantiated claims by Mayweather Jr., his father and uncle and Golden Boy Promotions top executives Schaefer and De La Hoya that Pacquiao was on performance-enhancing drugs."

 

I spend quite a lot of time not reading the likes of this thread.