Floyd says he's better than Ali............

I'm surprised you think that, as I've watched that fight several times and each time my opinion is the same, Castillo won close but clear. The rematch Floyd won clear as day, no question.

 

Hearns is the one who would really do a number on Floyd. He's so tall and rangy he'd just bomb down on Floyds dome from above that shoulder-defence.

 

Yeah he is a true great obviously, albeit with a disappointing resumé. I just have a much lower ping of Ali than you guys, basically.

As I certainly don't think Floyd is close to being TBE, to me it's not even arguable that Floyd is as good as Leonard, or Duran, or Robinson etc.

 

Yeah Floyd has no chance against Hearns

 

I hate P4P because it's gay and because heavyweights are not like any other weight class but I bet if I ever bothered to earnestly construct a top ten P4P, Ali would be on there

 

agREED

I thought he won it clear, too. As far as for how Duran or Leonard would've done vs Castillo, Floyd was outweighed by 15 lbs and had two busted wings in that fight, and he still won.

Re: Leonard, Leonard in no fucking way compares to Ali. He was the one who started all the catchweight bullshit (remember Lalonde), ducked Hearns for as long as he possibly could, didn't dare move up to 160 lb to fight a prime Hagler, and only fought Duran the first time because Duran was seen as a blown up lightweight (and then pulled a bunch of shenanigans to 'win' the second fight).

Floyd < Leonard < Ali

Duran > *

As for Roy Jones Jr, I consider him in the league of Floyd, but don't think he belongs with Ali.. aside from the resume comparison, Ali past his physical prime was still able to find a way to win just because he was so goddamn tough. That counts for something to me.

And like everyone else said: Floyd is, indeed, one of the greatest fighters ever. Just not the greatest ever.

Three big things in his favor that the other fighters mentioned didn't have -

- Longevity - been in the game for 19 years, 17 of them as a dominant champion

- Almost always significantly outsized by his opponents, because he fights in the actual division he should be fighting in (I give him and Pac both props for this). Still dominant anyway.

- One of the most complete fighters ever, right up there with Duran, Leonard, and Hearns (Ali and Jones Jr were not complete fighters). Floyd can box, bang, fight inside, potshot, whatever. He will fight his opponent's fight and beat him at his own game.

 

Benitez at his best was better than Mayweather, and beats Floyd in a fight.

We can point out his losses but does anyone think Floyd beats Leonard or Hearns at 147?? I think not.

Benitez would have mopped up with Floyd's opponents at 147 with no problem.

 

Sly's opinions on Floyd can never be taken seriously.

 

Floyd's not a great welterweight

 

Floyd wouldn't have beaten Vernon Forrest let alone Leonard or Duran.

 

Floyd is a great manyweight. Or someweight. Just like DLH was a great almostweight.

 

He would have had a chance against Forrest but I wouldn't be confident in him winning that fight.

 

All this talk of comparing Mayweather to the 80s welterweights, I just wonder had he competed in the 90s welterweight division would he have come out with a 0 on his record. I mean he was reluctant to get in the ring with the likes of Cotto, Williams, Margarito, etc.

 

The point should probably be made that Floyd & Duran both went up many divisions, Leonard stayed at 147 for pretty much the entirety of his career. If Floyd stays at 130 his whole career, the comparison to Leonard is probably a different discussion. Instead, he's dominated all the way up to 154.

 

you still really think that is gonna happen? the guy was being foolish with his money but the past few years it seems some of these rich fellas hanging around him and gotten it in his head to invest better. and hes about to make 150+ mill in two weeks

 

agreed

 

I don't have a problem with him saying or thinking he's the best/greatest ever, the problem is that he hasn't done that much to prove it nor has he made the best effort to do so...He got into a place in 2007 where he could get the big fights since he became the big draw in the sport. We get the Pacquiao fight....5 years too late. We got the Cotto fight 4 years too late. Yeah, it wasn't ONLY his fault, but he sure deserves his share of blame for it. We got crap like Ortiz and Guerrero.

One of the more annoying things is when you have dumb young fans who DKSAB (Floyd's uncle is right), or "I lacked a male role model so Floyd will be mine" boxing "fans" who actually buy into this crap about him seriously being up there at the top of the list with the best and greatest fighters ever.

 

Ali had a very good left hook. Left uppercut was good too.

 

mayweather jr getting screwed in the olympics affected his pro resume' negatively. if he had the acclaim coming into the game with a gold medal in 96 his early to mid career path may have went the way of ray leonard. he would have been more able to get fights against casamaor, freitas, tszyu, mosley because they wouldve been HUGE fights back then. instead he was a low reward/high risk opponent who couldnt draw shit at that point so those opponents/the networks had no incentive to make those fights. by the time he got a big name he was already past the point of looking for the toughest opponents no matter the price, much like leonard after the first hearns fight.

 

Oh for fuck sake...anyones fault bar Floyds. Now its the Olympic Judges from 1996- HIS FUCKING HOMETOWN USA GAMES....that are to blame.

Jesus fucking wept listen to this cunt.
"Floyd...."I failed to thrill cos of dem Judges from Uzbekiztanz and Poland and Koh-Ree-Ah"

 

Floyd: "If I won the Gold, I woulda made the Zoo fight".

 

mayweather jr called out tszyu repeatedly

 

Yeah OK. I guess if Floyd had a Gold Medal the networks would have found the time to make the fight. As it was they couldn't indulge Floyd with his mad plans of fighting Zoo as they knew the Public knew Floyd only had a BRONZE medal and that it would never wash.

Floyd: "Give me Zoo".

Zoo: "Give me Floyd".

Networks: "Shit will never work. Floyd only has the Bronze".

 

I just HAVE to respond to this nonsense. OBVIOUSLY an MMM (Monk of the Mosley Monastery) would say that Floyd would lose to Forrest. You have an agenda: Shane lost in his prime to a guy that would have beaten Mayweather also...therefore no shame in it. Earth to Muzse: Floyd is a better fighter than the speedy slick slugger ever was...EVER WAS. What Forrest did to Shane has no bearing on how a fight with Floyd would go. None. Floyd can actually box...he doesn't pretend to have skills by flashy feints and pivots and the occasional stance switching...he is a legitimate master boxer. Forrest was good but there is nothing to suggest he would have beaten Mayweather. A straight forward "righty" with no serious handspeed or power would play into the shoulder roll, potshotting, counter punching mischief. Clear victory for Floyd.

 

Since leaving lightweight Floyd has only fought one guy taller than 5'8 and that was (old) Oscar who had early success with 'straight forward' jabbing. I'd favour him over Forrest but it's not a given.

 

Floyd vs Forrest can at least be debated.

Floyd gets fucked by Leonard, Hearns, and Duran.

 

you are failing to realize all those 5'8" or less guys mayweather jr fought were "tall for their height"

 

Wow, that is surprising. Probably quite intentional on Floyd's part.

Still, he'd beat Forrest. Like Quartey, I think he's a bit too basic to beat Floyd.