Floyd says he's better than Ali............

Nah, their was a lot of talking about Floyd moving up 5 lbs and meeting Shane at lightweight. I have an old ko or ring magazine talking about it. The ''behind the scene'' talk about it never happening was that Floyd SR thought Jr. wasn't ready.

 

I know the Ring edition you're referring to. That talk was one sided...from the Mayweather camp. Floyd wasn't on Mosley's radar. He had his sights set on Oscar who he'd beaten as an amatuer and knew well. Plus Oscar was the cash cow at that time.

Most of us have no issue with Floyd's resume until after he beat Gatti. That's when it goes to shit.

As much as I hated Oscar and gave him shit about his early resume, he did the exact opposite as his career progressed. He fought everyone we wanted him to fight. Floyd has done the opposite.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/boxing/post/_/id/626/fathers-figure-play-role-floyd-mayweather-shane-mosley-outcome-2

As the elder Mosley recalls, the two camps first discussed the possibility of a meeting when Mosley was at the tail end of his lightweight title run, and Mayweather was junior lightweight champion -- in other words, a little over a decade ago.

"Shane was getting ready to go to [welterweight], and he asked Floyd if he wanted to come up to lightweight and meet him and then Shane could go on to 147," Jack Mosley said.

For reasons that the elder Mosley could no longer recall, Mayweather demurred, and Mosley made the jump in weight. In his third fight in his new division, Mosley memorably defeated Oscar De La Hoya.

 

As for the topic, I do think that Floyd is a better fighter p4p, but Ali is greater as he fought everyone he had to, and in most case, more than once, which isn't the case with Floyd

 

Exactly

 

Exactly. He retired in 2008 to avoid facing the likes Cotto, Williams, Martinez, Margarito, etc.

He wanted NOTHING to do with pressure of facing good fighters because he knew he may have lost that least one of them and he wanted none of that.

He instead bitched and moaned about how nobody ever gave him any credit and that people just wanted him to lose. :wack:

Then he dodges Pacquiao because of a disagreement for "random blood and urine" stating that he wants to CLEAN UP THE SPORT ::

He's one of the greatest talents I've ever seen, no doubt. But after his lightweight days he became a ducking bitch, picking and choosing his fights so that he would make the most money while taking NO RISKS.

If he does indeed end up broke, I wouldn't feel sorry for him. The way he's carried himself as a so called champion is reprehensible.

 

Guys, it was the Bronze Amulet they put on him in Atlanta. That thwarted him. Like Bronze Kryptonite or some shit. They hexed him. That blend of Copper and Tin really fucked with him.

 

Look, you can see its Super-Fight defeating powers from here.




If you spray bronze on household pets or small children, it prevents them from fighting.

 

Does this mean Floyd ducked Mosley...is that what you're saying?

 

Bronze Amulet...the Atlanta Amulet!! Fear it!!

 

This is 1 of the More MISQuoted Lines in Boxing History...

Yes, Floyd Said "...that's Slave Wages", but it was in Context to How Much HBO was Offering Prince Naseem Hamed, Simultaneously, at the Time...HBO SPUN it as a SINGULAR Offer, Yet they were VERY Public w/How Much they Paid Other Fighters in Floyd's Weight Range, who they were RELUCTANT to Pit Floyd Against...

In the Name of Accuracy, Floyd's VERBATIM Quote was ".....Compared to What Prince Naseem is Makin', that's Slave Wages"...


REED:dunno:

 

Fair enough....but HBO were overpaying Hamed at that point in time too.

I think Mayweathers wages were fair.

Also...Floyd, in phone conversations with HBO, was at that point already engaging in illeism when dealing with officials at the company.

 

I think I'm going to stick around this week. DAMN this place can be addictive. The BOLDED part....why don't you and other Floyd haters use that very same logic in Evaluating Floyd's career since moving up to Welterweight? He was on a mission to get De La Hoya, everyone knows this. Margarito etc. made no sense at the time. Big name fights against Judah and then getting the undisputed Welterweight championship prepared the public for the showdown with Oscar. Ironically in this very post, in the very next sentence you say Floyd's resume "went to shit" after the Gatti fight. Hypocritical nonsense. You can't have one standard for Shane and then another for Mayweather.

 

Mr Rock,

I hope you have maintained this standard when evaluating Ray Leonard, for example.

"He retired in 2008 to avoid facing the likes Cotto, Williams, Martinez, Margarito, etc.

He wanted NOTHING to do with pressure of facing good fighters because he knew he may have lost that least one of them and he wanted none of that. "

If I wanted to hate I could say that Leonard retired in 1987 to avoid facing Michael Nunn, James Toney, Nigel Benn, Mike McCallum, Herold Graham etc.

Floyd, like Ray...already had a proven career and reached the pinnacle by triumphing in the mega fight against the bigger fighter in a new division for a new title. At the time he felt no need to continue.

Since I read you as a consistent, non-hypocritical fella, I assume therefore that you judge Ray Leonard in the same way.

 

ray leonard retired to avoid a fight with herold graham. thats a good one. shoulda said he retired the first time, to avoid a rematch with hearns, da'suction of gaymen

 

yeh leonard wanted to keep clear of James Toney in '88

 

LOL James Toney was an anonymous nobody in 1988

 

typo and whatever else. Point is if we wanted to we could say similar shit of Ray Leonard. Yet he gets a free pass because he's Ray Leonard, but Floyd is a ducking bitch because he's an annoying wannabee gangster who throws money around.

Floyd's personality gets on my nerves too...but that's irrelevant to what he does inside the ring.

And back to this Floyd ducked Margarito and Cotto nonsense....

Why would a man "duck" Margarito, Cotto and Cintro and elect to fight Oscar De La Hoya at 154lbs? Think about that for a moment. De La Hoya was FAAAAAAR more formidable than those other fellas at the time. That's like saying Lennox Lewis ducked Chris Byrd and then fought Tyson. It's STUPID. Floyd haters are the dumbest "boxing fans" on the planet.

 

I didn't.

 

Welcome back, sly! :bears:

 

Sure, it's absurd...but so is saying Floyd ducked Cintron and Paul Williams. That is the point. Also Margarito was "anonymous" also. Only hard core fans even heard of him. He may have been a WBO titlist (which meant even less then) but he had only ever fought "six heads" lewis. Nobody knew the cunt.

 

Fuck you.


Only back temporarily.

 

so it doesn't count?

 

Money + aging Oscar.

Floyd fans are the dumbest "boxing fans" on the planet.

 

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Any other Welterweight in history, in the same position, whether it be Hearns, Leonard even Ray Robinson.....would have gone after the CASH COW De La Hoya if there was a chance instead of facing Margarito. Beating Oscar meant everything...beating Margarito meant nothing. "Aging Oscar". Oscar didn't look too "aged" when he destroyed Mayorga in 6 one-sided rounds in his previous fight. There's a reason why many people, including Floyd's own father, thought that fighting Oscar may be biting off more than he could chew.

 

Nobody blamed him for chasing Oscar, that made all the sense in the world and was a good fight; they blamed him for pretending to retire afterwards at a moment when the welterweight division seemed red hot having fought none of the top rated guys in his 4 fights at the weight..... Then coming out his fake retirement to fight a junior welterweight at welter....then a lightweight at welter. Then pulling bullshit stipulations out his ass when Pacquiao became the fight everyone wanted.

 

That's fair. Many people however DO criticize him for fighting De La Hoya instead of the other guys.

Still...Hatton was a good fight. Hatton was a top P4Pder and was undefeated. He was also PROVEN with wins over Castillo and Tszyu. Hagler's biggest fights (only big fights actually) were against smaller champions coming up in weight. He shouldn't be judged on the Hatton fight. Hatton was a bigger name than Cotto for example at that time and it was a more significant fight.

Like I said before...we could play this game with Leonard...after Hagler. Leonard retires...then comes back and fights LALONDE at a catch weight (no Hearns, no Nunn, no McCallum)...then semi-retires again then comes back only after Hearns has been KTFO by Barkley and looks to be slipping and fights him. Then disappears and comes back to face ANCIENT Duran. Not saying two wrongs make a right...but let's be consistent, por favor.

I agree that the Marquez fight was unnecessary...but again...he's not the only great fighter to take on a great smaller fighter. He's just the first to be criticized for it. I agree with the pacquiao stuff...I blame Floyd for the fight not happening sooner.

 

Sure Sly that's to be expected, but that's just one fight, one small period of time. Why not fight Cotto or Plasterito or any other tough welters, before or after Oscar?

Since moving to welter, his resumé has been shit for a guy who is as good as he is, widely considered P4P #1, self proclaimed tbe, etc etc.

 

Exactly, he seems to think chasing Oscar made it impossible to make any good matchups before or after ::