Floyd vs Pacquiao now?

As if that means anything. Floyd is the same age as Morales you idiot, I guess they're the same level of freshness/shotness because they happen to be the same age?

 

Mayweather show a bit more slippage? Mayweather fights every 12-24 months....by the time Mayweather fights again and show more slippage Pacquiao might just be retired...


If all Mayweather had was reflexes like Jones...then you might have a point but his defense/footwork are more important to him than reflexes....Mayweather is a more athletic version of Hopkins in that he has learn great boxing skiils, Mayweather just doesn't have Hopkins chin.

PACQUIAO style is more vulnerable to age and punishment...


and yes Pacquiao has fought the superior competition......

 

It works nicely.. I consider it the "Trinidiot" of this era. If you have a better suggestion, I'm up for it.

 

If you're serious with this point it shows what a complete fucking moron you are, and that you really know nothing about boxing.

Floyd has slowed down considerably, though his reflexes are still super sharp, his handspeed, footspeed and mobility are not what they were.

Yet he's as good as ever, because he relies more on skill and craft than athleticism, like Hopkins. Pacquiao relies more on natural talent.

Floyd is to Hopkins as Pacquiao is to Roy.

Once Pacquiao slows down significantly, and can no longer keep up the pace, the movement, footspeed, angles, and handspeed that he currently presents he won't even be CLOSE to the fighter he is now, and as dangerous as he is. His main asset will be power in a division full of naturally bigger men.

Pacquiao's style is far, far more vulnerable to age and it's not even arguable. When Floyd slows down even more, he'll still be crafty as fuck with brilliant defense, when Pacquiao slows down significantly he'll no longer be Pacquiao.

 

Trinidiot was at least a vaguely attempted pun and had a bit of cleverness about it. Pactard is just a childish combination of a boxer's nickname and a schoolyard insult. It's also become very overused, so that now it is just deliberately confrontational and annoying IMO.

MTF

 

YUp....

 

Pacquiao's style is FAR MORE VULNERABLE to the affects of againg than Mayweather's

Pac needs speed and explosiveness to attack the way he does, he needs stamina to do it... he needs to retain enough split-second quickness to handle the vulnerablities his aggressiveness creates, slip the counter shots... Pac's style is all about explosiveness and sustained aggression... he does it with a high degree of expert skill, but it is not the kind of style you can keep up when you start to slow down physically

Mayweather is a classic ring technician, the kind of guy that can still put up quality wins long after he has slowed down and weakened physically... And with the clueless crop of youngsters out there, he could easily replicate Bernard Hopkins' success and keep beating up these idiots until he's 50... Even in much deeper eras with a far greater surplus of skillful guys, fighters like that had a long shelf life as long as they kept their training discipline... Archie Moore fought forever, Harold Johnson had a very long career... It's an entirely different animal... when you are technically advanced like that and have perfect mechanics, you can stave off the effects of aging and compete at the elite level for a much longer time because you aren't basing your style on physicality, you are basing it on your smarts... As long as Floyd commits himself to staying in good shape, he can keep winning fights for a good decade, because he knows the game in and out, knows all the tricks

For Pacquiao, the window will close much sooner because his style is predicated more heavily on the physical side... he's not a defensive whiz who can slow down the pace to a crawl and meticulously frustrate a guy

 

Spot on :bears:

And honestly I can't believe ANYONE would try and argue otherwise. I can only assume LG is trolling, I don't know.

 

^ not to mention pacquaio probably took more punishment against margarito than mayweather jr. has in the past 5 years.

 

I'm actually shocked that LG said it

he's generally a sharp guy as long as he isn't talking about Julio Cesar Chavez (same with you:giggle:)

 

Mayweather thinks otherwise.....

 

Why is Mayweather fighting more from the pocket? Not relying on his legs like he used to?

Sharpness and speed also DECLINES with age. POWER never goes away.

 

What the fuck is this comparing Floyd to Hopkins bullshit?

Floyd is definitely at risk if he slows down. So is Pacquiao. But Pacquiao moreso? I don't think so. I think Pacquiao could still be very effective if he slows down a little so long as he can keep the workrate up. It's his workrate that amplifies everything else he does. I never really thought about it before, but he's like Omar Narvaez with more power and more speed. And when he slows down, he still can be just as good as Omar Narvaez which is damn good.

Mayweather, otoh, is going to be vulnerable when he no longer has reflex and speed advantages. I supose he's good enough to turn into James Toney when he slows down, but it is the James Toney (or someone like that) who he should be compared to and not duck, rush, and potshot Bernard Hopkins.

 

yeah, but you don't know anything about boxing, so there's that

 

Here is an old but good idea. How about Mayweather fights Pacquaio 3 times in a row, make it a legendary trilogy? So we will have ANSWERS to all these questions?

3 times in a row, rematch after rematch. The 2 best fighters in the world.

How about it?

Pacquaio:"Let's do it! Random testing and everything."
Floyd: "he is lying."

Let's put these 3 fights together and make millions. How about it?

Floyd?
Floyd?
Floyd?







Floyd?

 

Pacquiao punching power is not in the Hearns/Jackson kinda level..he can punch better that most...but his KO's are cause by his speed adn the crazy angles he throws punches.

 

I agree. He throws with different speeds and different angles. He touches you, touches you then boom ala Hatton.

Speed, sharp counters are all part of their arsenal. Mayweather and Pacquaio. That's why this fight is FASCINATING to me. They both have check hooks, they are both ACCURATE sharp shooting motherfuckers.

All the terms for both FIGHTERs have been agreed to. Let's see the fight!

 

Pretty funny. ::

The movie actually went a bit more like this:

Pacquiao: "I request a special stipulation for the fight to be on, Floyd has to agree to pay 583 millions for every pound overweight and the gloves have to be the ones I prefer".

Mayweather:"Consider it done. Hey, I can be a good lil' bitch too and since how you came seems a bit shady, would you mind if we both test for PEDS up until the fight to guarantee my ego is pleased and also a fair fight?"

(Arum sends Roach to take Manny away)

Arum:"We will only agree to testing 15 days away from the fight. Manny doesn't like needles Floyd, you have until 12AM of tomorrow to take the deal or the fight is off."

(3 hrs later)

Arum:"Floyd ducked Manny so we moved on. Clottey already signed, will be on Dallas Stadium, everything is set up, Dallas here we go baby".

 

When did the world continue spinning and you stood still?

 

Says the guy that took 15 years to realize Freitas was a crying bitch (Like the rest of the world had already noticed he was) and not the relentless brazilian monster that would end up knocking out Mayweather and dominating 130-135-140.

 

As to the poll, no idea.

I'm probably kind of leaning towards Pacquiao, I didn't like how Floyd looked in there. He was rusty, a bit slower and the timing was quite off. I really doubt he will stay active so by the time a fight gets made with Manny, I doubt it will be a sharp, Corrales-like Mayweather showing up.

Wouldn't bet on it though.

Floyd is a master and crafty as hell, he could easily come up with the master plan to beat Pacquiao. If anyone can right now, it's him.

I'm still very excited about this fight no matter what.

 

Whenver a poster has no argument and continues tofail to see that the posts have MOVED, they mention a Freitas, that has absolutely nothing to do with Floyd ducking the biggest fight in boxng right now.

You have remained still, if you continue to bring up Freitas.:laugh11::Lok:

 

LOL. Mayweather born 1977, Pacquiao born 1978.

 

Part of me thinks Pacquiao wins in a close fight and part of me thinks that Floyd wins easily.

 

I've made this point before - I don't think he's a puncher at welter at all. Not even on the De la Hoya/Mosley level, never mind those guys. Every single one of his fights post Hatton have seen the 12th round, he hasn't scored a single clean KO above 140 (& in honesty hasn't even come close). All that despite landing power shots at a comp-box shattering level and landing countless shots that guys just don't see.

 

Floyd is as hard a puncher as Pac at 147.

 

word.

I'm surprised that someone else has noticed this.

Pac throws one hell of alot of punches and beats people down that way, the speed/unpredictablity of his straight left caused knockdowns as well. Floyd may actually be a little heavier of hands. Overall, equal power at 147lbs. I think Floyd could hurt Pac where Cotto and Margarito couldn't actually.

 

Pac was a monstrous hitter at 122, one of the hardest ever at that weight, he still could crack fiercely at 126 and 130, but his power has diminished the more he has moved up... I, too, would agree that Floyd has probably the same, if not more, pop at 147

 

He has also been fighting bigger harder men than Floyd has. You think Pac dn't hurt Margarito? He had Cotto down twice.

 

Agree with Irish. You guys are watching a different guy out there.

Pacquiao has hurt everyone hes hit since moving up. It aint ALL down to angles, speed, & volume. No, Sir.