Floyd wouldn't win a round vs. Paul Williams

dsimon writes:

I see shades of Pavlik in this thread. I would love to see Pavlik beat Taylor but Miranda is no Taylor.

 

dsimon writes:

That is the real issue. Williams is on route. He may well get good enough to be a threat to Mayweather... I hope he does. But he has a lot of work to do:

1) He needs to really punch straighter and more with the body. he needs to use his lithe frame to explode into his punches and hit harder... like Hearns.

2) He needs to tighten up his footwork. He has the makings for a great slikster but he needs to really pay attention to distance and to being more deliberate in what he is trying to do in the ring.

3) He needs to fight a few more times. He should beat Mosley and then maybe try Cotto. If he can be a cutsey against Cotto (win or lose) he will emerge.

 

dsimon writes:

You are ridiculous.:doh: :flip:

 

Interesting. I hadn't thought about it that way.

 

dsimon writes:

Bamas my boy but I have to agree with this. You don't just throw punches against a guy he has to be there to be hit. When you throw those punches and countered mid punch you get discouraged, just ask Oscar. And Floyd sets his counters up. His straighter punches will get there first no matter how much speed Williams has, just ask Judah.

 

Double you are being ridiculous.

Cotto is for real, he is 10 times more talented, skilled and polished than both margarito and williams. He would hammer either one of them.

 

Williams will be tough for anyone for anyone to beat at 147 pounds.

We knew going in that Williams had amazing physical advantages, but last night really showcased Williams' incredible endurance and above average chin. The way Williams sucked it up and came out blazing in the 12th round speaks volumes about his heart and desire.

I bet Margarito and lost. I will not bet against Williams again versus anyone at 147-154.

And anyone who tries to diminish the caliber of Margarito is just fooling themselves. Last night was about how good Williams really IS, not how over rated Margarito WAS.

 

Williams looks taller than 6' 1", he's more like 6' 3"

 

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What's even more funny is that Fraud nuthuggers are using WILLIAMS' victory over Margarito as justification for why FRAUD shouldn't fight Margarito. :laughing:

 

:: Indeed.. I don't know which, but either Margarito or Williams has their official height listed wrong.. That's the biggest 2 inch difference in history..

 

Agreed.

 

Floyd Mayweather is just like Roy Jones in his prime, it's amazing how many fighters they beat..... on paper.

 

here's why this thread sucks.

First, its a flame-fest on both sides. Wiliams does have a tough style for Floyd and Floyd does have the skills/counterpunching to make any fight close or in his favor.

So nobody is getting dominated on paper, nobody is some kind of hands down winner in this proposed matchup.

Williams showed great things last night, and against a seemingly tough guy. Floyd has shown throughout his career that he adapts well to whatever style is in front of him.

So lets not jump to extremes either way

 

Absolutely, that just goes to show the height listings cannot be trusted.

2 inch height difference? ::

Williams is taller than 6'1 and Marge is smaler than 5'11.

It looked more like 5 inches to me. Or at least 4, which means Marge is 5'10 and Williams is 6'2. I'd say Paul is at LEAST 6'2 and Marge is no taller than 5'10.

 

You are one of the only beaners that recognizes the force of Cotto :bears:

 

No shit. That was like saying Byrd is 6 foot and Vlad is 6'2::

 

:bears::bears::bears:

Despite winning very narrowly against a past-prime inactive for 2yrs DLH who had been beaten more convincingly by others when he was prime & active, PBF still has the opportunity to stake a claim for greatness.
He has Cotto, Hatton, SSM, Margarito & Williams. If he beats all those guys. he has a strong claim. It's up to him.

 

He don't need to beat all of them, he's already great. The truth is you can downplay the ODLH win all you want to. However Floyd being the much smaller man and moving up to beat ODLH holds signifigance. The only person who ever really beat ODLH badly was Hopkins who is now at damn Light heavyweight. :: That's a sorry ass way of trying to diminish Floyd's win. If he beat Mosley, Mosley is old. If he beat Williams, Williams was a fraud. If he beat hatton, hatton was already exposed against Collazo. If he beat Cotto, Cotto was already exposed against Torres. Floyd pretty much can't win with you people.

 

The point is, PBF can make a legitimate claim to greatness if he chooses. He has excellent fights out there. As a boxing fan, you should be wanting to see a truly talented fighter like PBF do all he can to put naysayers in a position where they have no choice but to recognise that claim. You should see a great talent & want to see what he's made of. You should say to yourself "we could get some truly great fights here!". You should be wanting PBF to stake his claim, not settling for seeing a great talent make excuses for not taking on the best around him, to prove in every way possible that he's great.
When he has those fights out there, as a boxing fan "he would beat them anyway" just shouldn't cut it.

 

You don't win as many titles as Floyd (legitimate titles at that), without fighting the best.

 

Who are the best fighters he has fought?.
Do you want to see PBF fight Cotto, Hatton, Williams, Margarito, SSM?
If not, why?
If not, could you explain to me why you are a boxing fan?
How do you think his best opponents stack up against those guys?

 

Just wait until the "Could Mayweather whup Sugar Ray Robinson?" threads start showing up once he beats the hell out of Ricky Fatton. I think when that happens I'm going to quit discussing boxing on messageboards.

 

Slow ya Roll,BAMA:nono: ...

1st of All, Didn't YOU Accuse Xplosive of Starting "Stupid Threads"???:dunno: ...Let's just Say that this ISN'T the Most "Well Thought" Thread REED has ever Seen....

Yes,Paul Williams would B a VERY DIFFICULT Match-Up for Floyd...His HEIGHT,REACH,CHIN & WORKRATE would All B Challenges for Floyd...Against Margarito,Williams even Looked More ATHLETIC than REED has EVER Seen him Look...

But to Say that Floyd WOULDN'T Even Win a ROUND is Pretty STUPID,Dog...

Even N LOSING by a 2nd Round KO,Roy Jones DID Win a Round N the Tarver RE...Shit, a PETRIFIED Roy Won a COUPLE Rounds N the Tarver Rubber Match...

2 Say that THE Best Fighter N the World WOULDN'T Win a SINGLE Round , vs ANYBODY N his Weight Range,is MORONIC,Dog...


REED

 

I already said it wouldn't surprise me if Fraud won 1 or 2 rounds.

But I predict a skunking. Your boy Fraud won't fight Paul Williams anyway. Fraud is P4P the best fighter on the planet on paper. ::

btw Do you think Fraud would beat Williams? How?

 

Gotta Call BULLSHIT Right Here...

Until LAST NIGHT,Paul Williams NEVER EVER Looked "Fast" N the Ring & his Footwork was SHAKY...

About 2 Months Ago,REED Compared Paul Williams to a NewBorn Horse,Cause of how Gangly & UnCoordinated he Appeared to B...Perhaps he's IMPROVED N those Areas or Maybe it was just Margarito HELPING Williams' Speed & Footwork to Look IMPROVED,by Comparison...

Regardless,NO WAY N Hell is Paul Williams "Equal" to Floyd Mayweather N Speed OR Footwork...

U're Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay OFFBASE on this 1,BAMA...


REED

 

add another shitty thread for this clown's archive :notallthere:

Paul williams beats Margarito and all of a sudden he shuts out Floyd? Jesus Christ and you got the nerve to question people's boxing knowledge.:laughing:

Aside from the size advantage a big reason Williams was effective over Tony was the speed. Floyd is clearly faster than him with better skills.

That was for the first half of the fight. Once Tony started wearing him down Paul wasn't that much faster than him. Tony just didn't have enough rounds to win the fight.

Also it's not like Floyd has never fought taller fighters. Paul would give him some problems. But over 12 rounds Floyd would figure out how to wear him down and will always have the speed advantage.

Floyd has proven his speed over fast fighters like Judah. Williams is faster than Tony and now he's faster than Floyd?:laughing:

 

exactly. Paul was faster than Margarito and all of a sudden he is faster than Floyd? fucking ridiculous.

Floyd is still faster than Paul and over 12 rounds he would figure him out if the size advange becomes a real issue.

 

Did you see Paul in the ring last night? His footwork kept him IN the fight when the going got tough and he was punching while moving. Your idol Fraud dances away and stinks it out when the going gets tough for him. You call that foot work? :dunno:

Fraud = Better Dancer
Williams = Better Effective Footwork

REED, we have to disagree man. We're cool and everything but you're starting to use Paul Williams victory over Margarito to excuse Fraud for being a ducking fag. That's not cool.

 

You just exposed your lack of boxing knowledge.

How is Paul Williams even comparable to Zab Judah? ::

Judah is 5 foot nothing and Paul Williams is 6'3 at LEAST.

The funniest part of this entire thread is:

No Fraud groupies have laid out a strategy for HOW Floyd would be able to beat Paul Williams that are based in reality.

 

If Williams had POWER,then REED would Actually FAVOR him to Beat Floyd...It Could B Roy-Tarver II,all Over Again...

But Williams DOESN'T have Power...Like Roy Jones,if U Can't HURT Floyd Mayweather or Make him RESPECT your Power,U're NOT Gonna Beat him....

Floyd could Stick & Move his Way to a Decision Over Williams...It Probably WOULDN'T B "Fan-Friendly" but a BOXING MATCH Doesn't Have to Be:nono: ...

Floyd WOULDN'T Hurt Williams Either,but he'd Land More CLEAN Shots on Williams than he's EVER Been Hit w/...Even a Mosquito Bite Gets IRRITATING,if it Occurs Over the Course of 12 Rounds...Do U have a Tatoo???...The Shit DOESN'T Hurt Initially,but 15-20 Minutes LATER,U're Sick & TIRED of Being Under that Needle...

REED's Point is,Williams' Workrate would Eventually DISSIPATE,after Being COUNTERED Over & Over Again....

Floyd WOULDN'T have to Lead vs Williams,which is RIGHT UP Floyd's Alley...

It would Quite Possibly B THE Most INTERESTING Match-Up of Floyd's Career,Stylistically,but REED would HAVE to Pick Floyd...Until he DOES Get Beat,U HAVE to Pick Floyd...

Floyd by UD, 7-5 or 8-4...Williams would B Winning EARLY,but Floyd would Get N 2 a Rhythm,Get his TIMING Down & Start COUNTERING Williams VERY Effectively...



REED