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Buddy>TLC

straight up ownageopcorn:

 

Are you really that daft? All three had significant brain damage from their careers. If you couldn't see the obvious link then you have the comprehension skills of a rodent.

And as far as the "real fighter" Fedor, I couldn't give a damn if his fights are real. Because he hasn't done shit in a half-decade.

 

Am I daft? No. I understand that Benoit had not only self-inflicted brain damage from jumping off a top rope and slamming his head off of people's chests, but also self-inflicted recurring drug issues. Look up the psychological effects of steroid use...particularly long-term steroid use in the dosages that today's professional wrestlers use. Steroid induced psychosis happens. Unless you worry that Lesnar will string up Fedor and his family, then your linkage is useless at best.

Verne Gagne was an 82-year-old man who used to be a pro wrestler before steroids and painkillers were widely abused in today's dosages. He had Alzheimer's. Not uncommon for people in their 80s. Insane asylums and old age homes are filled with people suffering from mental illness. He killed a 97-year-old. How that relates to Lesnar and Fedor is a spurious, inconsequential linkage at best. Lesnar is about one-third Gagne's age, and Fedor is hardly 97. Are you claiming that old wrestlers are all brain-damaged potential murderers?

Andrew "Test" Martin died from a drug overdose. Did he have brain damage? Evidently. Many drug abusers do. Drugs and alcohol both affect the brain and damage it with repeated abuse of either. Martin's lifestyle is self-explanatory. He himself said either you straighten out, or you lay down beside them (The friends he has seen buried).

If your attempt is to claim pro wrestlers are tougher or have it rougher than a world champion MMA fighter, I would disagree and say that they have a rigorous schedule and make bad choices, but it also appears they are encouraged to use drugs more---specifically drugs that are prohibited in MMA competition (steroids and painkillers). Head trauma is an issue, but you are arguing that pro wrestlers are tougher because they get hit in the head more? MMA fighters train to win without taking damage. You see pro wrestlers as being tougher---I see MMA fighters as being smarter. They train to win. They don't train to get hit in the face to make the other guy look real.

Almost lastly, Fedor's face tells the tale. He has taken more soft tissue trauma clearly, and it wasn't self-inflicted by letting someone hit him for the sake of a storyline. Lesnar, by contrast, was a big man usually bouncing around smaller men for essentially storyline stuntwork, and he didn't take much facial damage.

No, I'm not daft. I just debate the issue. I also respect the person debating against me.

Oh, as for Fedor in the last half-decade, he has beaten a K-1 World Grand Prix Champion (Mark Hunt who outweighed him by over 50lbs), a future Pride Open Weight Grand Prix Champ (Mirko Crocop), an Olympic silver medalist (Lindland), a Rings finalist (Kohsaka), three former UFC champions (Coleman, Sylvia, and Arlovski), a K-1 World Grand Prix finalist (Choi), and a legit top 5 heavyweight (Brett Rogers).

 

The point is not who is tougher. The point is that Lesnar has wear and tear. You initially suggested he did not. The entire discussion was side tracked.

As for the usual of defending that joke of a resume, Im not even going to bother, although I will say Brett Rogers isn't a top 5 HW by anyones standards. Soon he won't even be top 10 once Overeem tools his overrated ass.

 

Lol you call Fedor overrated, now you say he will be tooled by Overeem. I guess you know nothing about Overeems recent record then.

 

Where did I suggest Lesnar doesn't have wear and tear? I can only go by his face, and it hasn't been damaged in recent years or it would have scars all over it like Fedor's does. Lesnar hasn't taken full-force head trauma from world class fighters yet. Plain and simple.

Joke of a resumé? You have no response you can give that honestly contradicts the truth of what I posted. Conversation over.

 

Don't lie, kid. THIS is what I suggested initially.

 

Your post defeated itself once you mentioned Hong Man Choi as a quality win.

Lindland, Hunt, Kohsaka and Coleman are good wins if you are a paraplegic, but not so much if you are a MMA fighter ranked in the top 20 or so.

However, even the likes of Bob Sapp can defeat Choi.

I'm genuinely surprised I even had to explain that, but whatever.

 

Like I said. Conversation over.

 

You are correct, you genuinely are retarded. I have no interest "debating(which I use loosely, because you don't know how) someone who believes kickboxers, middleweights, journeymen and washed up fighters are quality wins.

Oh, and the 7 foot freakshow who beat Jose Canseco and is 2-3 in his career.

If you really believe these worthless points need debating, you are genuinely retarded as I said and it's futile discussing with you.

 

Choi beat Sapp, retard.

 

You really have an issue with paying attention to detail.:doh:

But you've been egging on a response from me this entire thread so I'll humor you and grant you one.

Obviously Choi defeated Sapp, this is not difficult to do, but his overall lack of skill, the parity of kickboxing, and the closeness of their fight suggest that Sapp is quite obviously capable of defeating Choi and that they are at least on a similar level.

 

If he could have, he would have.

 

Right, I guess Schilt can't beat Choi either because he got robbed in Seoul to the Korean-born Choi?

By the way, have you ever seen Choi kickbox? He fights like John Ruiz, no bullshit.

This isn't even relevent though, because in MMA, he is far worse, much like most kickboxers who fight MMA without training full time.

 

I could give a fuck about Choi, hes a bum. Get over it.

 

My point.

 

So if Fedor is such a fraud? Then tell me? Who in the HW division do you not consider a fraud??

 

This is what I get for treating you with respect. :dunno:

 

Top 10 Heavyweights who challenge themselves with other top 10 HWs. Not the likes of Zuluzihno, Mark Hunt, Ogowa, Nagata, Goodridge, Lindland and Coleman.

Don't worry, Overeem is a phony as well, but for some reason, unlike Fedor he is called out on it.

 

If you really insist on treating me with respect, don't try to play me for a fucking fool.

 

I found TLC in a youtube video


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:bears:

There is a laundry list of deaths in wrestling, meanwhile MMA remains one of the safest sports to compete in. First off, the fights are short, from 15-25 minutes, compared to 36 in boxing, and usually a lot of time is spent grappling. Also factor in the small gloves give the fight a quicker finish than taking prologed punishment, and the lack of counts.

The head trauma caused by Pro Wrestling is ridiculous, even in Brock's really short career, he had a really nasty concussion. All three of the links I posted are recent cases of that. Mike Awesome it could be argued was victimized at well.

 

You didn't answer my question.

 

I think most are missing Buddy's point. He has conceded that pro wrestlers take horrible damage to their body. There is no doubt at all about that. But this damage is more to do with their lifestyle than anything else. Drugs are more rampid in Pro Wrestling than a strippers changing room. They work an unbelievable schedule, but the only way 90% of them can do it is through popping pills and snorting lines. That isn't including all of the sterroids they pump their bodies full of. Pro Wrestling can be very brutal and they push their limits all the time to get the "WOW" factor. Its a horrible industry to work in. But its a choice and most of them would love to be respected as real athletes but the simple fact is, most of them are not. The ones that are or have any talent leave. The Rock and Brock Lesnar proved that. They do not fight in "wars", their life is an ongoing war that they inflict on themselves.

 

You call Fedor out for fighting bums yet over the past decade, NO ONE in the HW division has fought a tougher resume as Fedor.

You blast him for fighting Brett Rogers and Andre Arlovski but almost every independent mma rankings have both of those two in their top 10 at HW even after Fedor knocked them out. Hindsight is also 20/20, because when they fought Tim Sylvia was top 10 in the world as well. Other top 10 HW's Fedor has beaten in the past decade

CroCop
Nog
Randleman
Coleman
Fujita

you talk shit about him fighting kickboxers but many participants in MMA are kickboxers:dunno:

Mark Hunt, Sammy Schilt, and Gary Goodridge were world class kickboxers when Fedor ran through them.

Matt Lindland was a blown up Middleweight, but seriously, when they fought many had Lindland in their Top 20 P4P fighters in the world. The guy is an Olympic silver medalist for fuck's sake.

You can talk shit about the Zulu's and Choi's but we all know that is just part of the deal in Japan. They like to see the freak show fights.

My point is this TLC, you can take a fight like Tim Silvia and say he sucks now, but at the time the entire world considered him a top ten HW. His last three fights are more than adequate to make up for the Zulu and Choi fights. Next up Werdum, who most rankings have him in their top 20, in fact Sherdog has him #10. You might not agree with it but its the truth. Get off bashing Fedor, it is useless. Lets hope we get to see him in the UFC when his M-1 contract is up, but don't count on it.

 

Well said.:kidcool:

 

I'm not playing you for a fool. I'm not playing you for anything. I debated the issue and you came back with insults. Act like a man and discuss the issues.

Perhaps I shouldn't have treated you with respect because it looks like you don't have it for yourself.

You got brave off of my lack of heated responses when it's clear you can't just debate the issue without namecalling. You spit insults like a child and don't come across as intellectually honest.

Lesnar is a roided-up freakshow who is now reaping the benefits of his drug abuse (steroid-induced diverticulitis). Pro wrestling is a toilet of self-abuse. The only reason you argue for it is because you're likely one of the chunks of shit in the toilet holding up signs and praying the camera shows you on Smackdown or Raw.

This isn't a pro wrestling forum, so get the fuck out of here with that shit. Do yourself a favour. Find a real role model and try to be a man. You're too young to waste your life being a clown although really you probably don't have the brains to do otherwise.

 

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