Froch-Abraham starting time AKA SPOILER THREAD

For the right reasons.

Frock can fight and Arabham can't.

That was my logic in picking this fight, I didn't even need to analyse the styles, honestly.

And by the way, Arabham's style is not 100% deliberate, it's been "engineered" in large part due to his awful stamina.

It's a scrubby style that clearly doesn't work at the highest level.

Better luck next time, Germans.

 

where as lewis was his boring predictable robot.

 

It's a Ricky Hatton syndrome. When his trump card fails, he has not too much else to fall back on, and this time he couldn't impose himself against a smaller man. I don't know if he can make 160- crucially, even after tonight, he still has taken less punishment than Hatton had before his loss to Pacman.

I don't know what degree his move to 168 was down to weight, or cash.

But there is nobody at 160 for him anyways, Felix Spurm is not going to fight him and I don't think Darren Barker has any desire to lose his good looks just yet so.....maybe Prirog but that style is also all wrong.

 

For somebody to have watched boxing this long and be so dismissive of world champion fighters with wins over other world champion fighters makes me wonder why you spend so much of your time on something you apparently have shit all regard for. Don't know what you're watching.

 

Yeah, but I know you too well mate. Little snippets like that appear over a period of a week or two and then, a few months down the line when it comes to defending your favourite little Armenian/German again, it'll be "people forget that Abraham had Froch almost out when he finally opened up. He lost through bad tactics/illness/trainer malfunction/crippling idiocy etc etc

So I'm nipping that shit in the bud...

MTF:shadow::dancingBaby:

 

Goddammit AA!

You apparently have to be in a sports car to go at a fast pace in life.

 

Abraham can fight. Just without any great variety. You are being an unconscionable turd about this. You are starting to sound like you work for maxboxing. Abrahams style was built around his physique, his constitution and the limitation of his skills.....well I never. Is that a first? Maybe people with no arms don't box at all. Do you thinks so too???

 

You found me picking Abraham by KO yet? :tick:

 

I have never done that and if you go back and check out the Dirrell-Abraham thread you will find I was the very person warning against a revisionist approach to that fight.:nono::nono::nono:

 

I know exactly what I'm watching.

I am very good at analysing fights and fighters, and have a keen eye for detail.

You told me you originally thought like me in thinking Arabham is a scrub that plods around throwing 5 punches a round, then you realised there was more to it than that.

Well you were wrong to change your mind. That's all there is to it, the guy has an incredibly basic 1 dimensional style, he can't box, he can't fight inside, he has no punch variety, no stamina, no adaptability. He is awful.

 

Exactly. Abraham's has an effective style against certain guys but only ONE. And there's no plan B. And if for whatever stylistic reasons (in this case Froch's physical size, strength and power) that style doesn't work it looks fucking awful.

Against other good fighters the logic of it will be clear and it'll work. Had Froch been less physically strong this fight would have looked radically different.

 

Please...it's your modus operandi man! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy your delightful linguistic gymnastics as much as the next man, but really...

MTF ::

 

Here is your most recent post, but there is another one where you tell me more explicitly that you think Arabham is going to win.

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showpost.php?p=982993&postcount=84

 

The guy on one hand is calling AA trash, and the next giving Froch all this credit. Makes no sense.

 

I agree 100%. It can't be that ineffective seeing as Abraham has sparked out dozens of blokes using the same style. Even his previous loss was one where he seemed to be turning the tide somewhat.

All of which makes Froch's performance all the more effective. He bullied the fuck out of Abraham with jabs of real power and precision before breaking him down with body-shots. It was, in truth, the kind of performance I didn't think Froch had in him. Clinical and professional instead of mad, sloppy and bravado.

MTF

 

What fight were you watching? Frock's physical strength had little to do with it. He simply outboxed the turtling scrub.

There was almost no close quarters grappling and infighting.

Frock's physical strength was far less significant than Floyd's against Hatton for example, because quite simply - it wasn't an up close, physical fight.

Anytime Arabham got close, Frock would hold and look to the ref to break them up. It's not like Frock was bullying him to the ropes and working inside, and it's not like Arabham was as gung ho as Hatton, with Frock HAVING to use physical strength to keep him off.

He was beaten with a fucking jab, not physical strength.

 

incidentally, dirrell is a total weak willed bitch

 

You're wrong. Abraham's is like a deer hunter sitting in a bush waiting for one to wander by. If some deers pass by he looks rather cunning, his day was well spent and his behaviour makes sense. No deers make themselves available he's sitting in a bush scratching his balls to all observable intents and purposes.

If he can't physically wear a guy down by being stronger, by walking him down, by making him throw backing up and wear himself out to the point he gradually gets sloppy and fatigued, he's just sat in a bush scratching his balls and farting.

 

Giving Frock all this credit? WTF? Where?

In a post responding to you, I said "Frock looked decent I guess" and actually clarified that with "it's easy to look good against a walking punch bag".

Where am I giving Frock all this credit then?

 

a jab coupled with natural power.

 

You don't know what you're watching. Sorry to be patronising but you simply don't understand the dynamic of that fight or Abraham's fights generally. Irish apparently does.

 

I understand that 100%. He tires the other guy out and retains his energy, I get the premise, it's actually very simple.

But the result of that style is what you see, plodding around throwing the odd dead weight retard punch.

As evidenced against both Dirrell and Frock, it's a scrubby style that doesn't work at the highest level.

 

Who are these people? :scratcher:

 

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That´s the best you can come up with? Me hoping that Abraham wins. The very reason I didn´t go to this fight, was that I didn´t want to waste money on Abraham doing exactly what he did, being a punching bag.

Like I said Froch´s 168 pound resume > Calzaghe´s 168 pound career. I have been on the Froch bandwagon before he fought Pascal. When you said Froch wasn´t even as good as Robin Reid and Calzaghe didn´t need to fight him, Mr. Master Expert Analyst Extraordinaire.

 

it did work against dirrell, because he has the mindset of a 12 year old girl. he was intimidated big time as the fight wore on,

 

Actually I think it's you who doesn't what he's watching.

Re watch the fight, Frock's physical strength had nothing to do with it, because he barely had to use any physical strength, just a jab and some basic boxing skills.

Did power have something to do with it? Sure, Frock has reasonably heavy hands at 168, and Arabham was being hit more often and harder than he was used to, which made him turtle even more hardcore then usual.

Not physical strength though, that was irrelevant.

 

correct.

 

And? What's that got to do with anything? He won me over with the Pascal win basically.

 

Well it worked pretty perfectly against Dirrel. He had a good 5 minutes to finish that fight had Dirrel got up. He was rightly disqualified.

Abraham's approach isn't meant to win rounds - I didn't expect him to win rounds in this. I structured my bet so that the one outcome I was naked in the result of was an Abraham's decision because I knew that wasn't happening (I break even on a Froch decision, if you're interested). It's meant to create KO opportunities. He had Froch hurt in the 12th too. Had Abraham's been as strong, relative to Froch as I'd expected then the KO opportunity would have come earlier and the whole dynamic of the fight would have been different because Froch wouldn't have been able to back Abraham's up and pacify him like he did.

That Froch could outbox Abraham's from range was a given. Abraham's lets you do that, he doesn't even try to win that game - and Froch is good at that game. I thought Froch would sweep the first 5th rounds easy on the cards that way. Go back and read my pick.

What I didn't expect was that Froch would have been backing Abraham's up by being so much bigger and stronger. That was the key that made that fight a dominant Froch win. It took the ground from right underneath the whole basis of Abraham's style.

 

Agreed, Dirrell is a total bitch. Dirrell is just incredibly lucky that Arabham is almost as much of a bitch and hit him when he was down, so Dirrell could activate ultra bitch mode and pretend to be KTFO.