Gennady Golovkin vs. Canelo Álvarez: Sept 16 2017 - Official thread

All this fight proved that BJ Saunders would outbox both

 

Yeah. Didn't he beat pbf on one judge's score card?

 

Make no mistake though, Golov has definitely lost a step from circa 2012-2014. But that's something we had already established. Was he overrated, even then?Yes. But Canelo fans, don't try to act like Canelo wasn't just outboxed by a fading Golov.

 

Some thoughts:

-HBO was utterly ridiculous with its shameless Ginger agenda. It was up there with Chavez-M. Taylor 1 and the Hopkins-J. Taylor fights with how biased it was. Roy is usually on point but he was all over Canelo's balls tonight.

-I had it 7-4-1 for GGG. GGG was hurt by the way the 10 point must system is set up. It's difficult to get a 10-8 round without a KD unless it's really bad (like Mayweather-Gatti Rd 6). GGG won his rounds by wider margins than Canelo, but none enough for a 10-8

-I was pretty impressed with Canelo's defense and chin. GGG wasn't as devastating with his power as usual, but still was showing that ramrod jab.

-I was disappointed by the way GGG finished. Especially the 11th round, as Canelo looked very tired and was on the retreat practically the whole round. But GGG looked sloppy and slow, and Canelo still landed the better shots. That round was there for the taking but GGG looked bad, I'm surprised he didn't finish strong.

-Ultimately it shouldn't have mattered as I thought GGG won anyway.

-Interesting how the crowd was largely a pro-Canelo crowd but GGG got most of the cheers afterwards and Canelo got a lot of booing. I'm sure Canelo's retreating didn't endear himself to a lot of fans.

-It was a good fight, I want to see it again in May 2018. Hopefully it won't go the distance

 

CJ Ross had it even, utterly ridiculous.

The Lara fight was very close and one judge had it 9-3 Canelo.

The judges in the Cotto fight also had it 9-3, 10-2, and 11-1. 8-4 was more on point.

 

One thing about this fight is that the strengths of these two guys are so similar that they struggle with each other. It doesn't mean that Golovkin is a mediocre fighter (he isn't), and Canelo is better than fans would want him to be.

A more slick all-time great middleweight would have beaten Canelo more clearly, either by moving or giving him angles. Golovkin is tailor-made to eat up slicksters but a stationary stubborn guy like Canelo is more difficult for him.

It's styles, as my signature correctly points out

 

Ohhh my Christ can people PEEEAAASSSEE stop with this "Canelo is better than given credit for" bullshit.

This was his THIRD loss for Christ sake! And WHO KNOWS how the Trout fight turns out if not for opening scoring.

Why are you motherfuckers pretending that the cards are ALWAYS stacked in his favor (pun intended)?

 

Fact is that Canelo proved tougher and better than his detractors tried to claim. Xplosive and others were acting like this would be a repeat of the Lemieux fight

 

You already know the answer to your question. Canelo will not receive the same vitriol as Ward.

 

Not really. Canelo was getting walked down the whole fight. Aside for a few instances where he snapped Golovs head back, he was being bullied for the most part. Every shot that Canelo hit GGG with had no effect whatsoever. GGG actually snickered at some of them.

 

We saw a different fight

 

Considering I gave this fading Golov 8 rounds, I think it would have been even wider against a younger, sharper Golov.

 

Sure did. Jeffy was watching the fight with his eyes.

You were watching the fight with your TMT glasses on.

 

You're such an idiot.

 

At least with Ward, people can only say he got one questionable decision.

This isn't Ginger's first robbery rodeo.

Lara outboxed him.

ADD to that the fact that Trout had to abandon his gameplan and fight with Canelo because he KNEW from open judging that he was getting fucked, and you begin to see why a lot of people don't care for Ginger.

He has a lot of protection on his side.

 

Anyone with eyes can see that Canelo was landing the better shots and was more accurate and had better defence. GGG was busier.

 

Waaaa

 

Bullshit. Canelo only landed a couple meaningful shots per round at the beginning of each round, then allowed GGG to walk him back to the ropes and tee off in him. Canelo only fought in spurts because he was getting gassed.

 

He wouldn't last a couple of rounds

 

Kov/Ward I was a close fight very much open to scoring debate

This really wasn't

 

You could actually say Kov/Ward I was worse since Kov LOST everything, the decision, the belts (I thought it was a one point fight either way)

GGG didn't lose the match, nor did he lose his belts

 

Another thing is that Canelo was the much bigger man in the ring and yet refused to use his size advantage

 

I had Kov winning. Ward, to his credit, erased all doubt in the rematch, but I'll always believe Kov won the first fight.

The REAL difference is the scoring. Even though, you KNEW Ward would get the benefit of the doubt, you still can't look at a 114-113 scorecard in favor of Ward and be outraged.

But 10 rounds to fucking 2 for Canelo????????

Make no mistake... this was a robbery.

 

That particular card was ridiculous but the 6-6 card was not.

 

You have to give Canelo EVERY SINGLE BENEFIT of the doubt to pull together this draw (which you did).

Boxing history tells us.... if you have to give a guy every benefit to say he pulled out a DRAW... it means he lost the goddamn fight.

 

Nonsense....in rounds where Canelo didn't just hang on the ropes and play around....he landed the better more accurate shots. GGG only appeared to be winning when Canelo was playing around

 

This bolded statement makes it very hard for me to accept that you're the sperm that WON!

 

I had it 115-113 Golovkin. Canelo gave a very good account of himself. He took hard shots very well, managed his energy rather well, which helped him win the last 3 rounds on the judges scorecards. I also feel that he landed the nicer punches during the fight. Not the most devastating but hard short clean shots. Canelo just lacks the gas tank to fight for a whole fight the way he should against Golovkin although he can in spurts. I agree with Sly on one point : I don't believe the 6-6 card is outrageous. I felt that in some of the rounds he won, Canelo was winning the first minute with very good blows and then Golovkin would take over and be more busy while not landing any big punches, just jabs and partially deflected rights. He was having the best of Canelo but couldn't match totally the damage Canelo made during the first minute. There's a round I scored for Golovkin that I hesitated a little bit because I was wondering if he had compensated for Canelo early attacks. I conceide that this one could have gone any way.

 

Thing is I scored it even even though there were two rounds that I scored for GGG that could have gone either way in my opinion. I wasn't giving Canelo the benefit of every doubt at all.

As I was watching the fight I always felt that Canelo was doing the most damage ( especially to the body) and I saw GGG throwing a lot but also missing a great deal. There were times when Canelo just hung on the ropes and didn't do much besides make GGG miss most of his punches and those rounds I gave to GGG due to activity alone.

Those scoring for GGG are scoring based on activity, which I get, but on cleaner harder punches and accuracy you HAVE to say Canelo did better there

 

before it gets taken down