Gennady Golovkin vs. Canelo Álvarez: Sept 16 2017 - Official thread

The most telling thing for me is that almost every pro fighter that I have seen gave the fight to GGG.

It must be comforting for Canelo to know that as long as he is standing at the end of the fight he will get the nod on at least one judges score card no matter what. Byrd's scorecard was so bad that she gave Canelo 10 rounds when he thinks he only won 7 or 8.

 

I dont have much of a problem with the draw. I think ggg edged it, but Lots of rounds were really close. Those that are calling it a clear win for GGG are living in lala land

But what is annoying is that you know canelo always get tje benefit of the doubt

 

Likewise, YOU Thought Golovkin Would DESTROY Canelo, Mid Rounds...That NEVER Came Close to Transpiring...So You HAVE to Have More Respect for Canelo than You Did Prior???...

You Also Portrayed Golovkin as a SKILLED, CLINICAL Seek and Destroy Fighter, but he was Really Just a Plodding Jabber w/Pretty Bad Defense...EXCELLENT Chin, GREAT Jab, but an Easy to Hit Plodder, None the Less...

If Canelo had the Stamina of an ACTUAL 27 Year Old, Instead of a 57 Year Old, He'd Have Stayed a Step Ahead and Outpointed Triple G w/Out Toooooo Much Fuss, as he Did Early Doors...And Assuming the RE is Pushed Back til September 2018, that's a Possibility...





REED

 

GgG last two fight preyy much proved hes not as good as we once thought. He looked impressive blasting out bums, but agains top mw (and jacob and canelo are not exactly hagler) he struggle mightily and barely wins

 

What speaks volumes to me is that Canelo is ok with the decision and GGG is furious about it. Canelo seems to feel fortunate that he didn't get the L.

 

Perhaps you didn't hear the post fight interviews in the ring? GGG is the one who didn't comment and Canelo was the one saying he won.

 

This could be, though the fact that he is 35 now doesn't help either. In his prime he was unproven.

 

Fights are not scored in hindsight. They are scored live.

MTF

 

He turned pro too late, he's done well to make it to a big money fight he could win at this point in his career. However, even his early highly entertaing fight against Ouma would have told you that he was not the quickest and was very hittable...no question he has lost a step or two, was evident from Lemieux onwards...suspect Canelo will take rematch properly next time if it's twelve month away...he needs to get lessons on staying young and getting stronger from Marquez

 

Who did you score the fight for REED?

And tbh a skilled, clinical pressure fighter is exactly what I saw. A little too patient perhaps? Sure. I would have liked to see a bit more ferocity and Duran esque pressure.

But a plodding jabber? Nah. Gennady's footwork was on point - if it wasn't, Canelo wouldn't have found himself trapped on the ropes in almost every single round, getting picked apart by Golovkin's accurate, varied offense. His footworkk was clearly better than Canelo's. It's not like Canelo was dancing circles around Golovkin like Floyd or Pacquiao, countering from different angles. If anyone is a plodder, it's Canelo. Difference is, he was plodding away from his foe, in full retreat.

As far as defense goes, no argument from me, I knew his defense wasn't the best.

And as far as outpointing GGG without much fuss, I had it 2-2 after 4, and that's basically because Golovkin was warming up. Once he warmed to the task and started pressuring, Canelo looked lost and clueless, and was just backing away surviving for almost every remaining round, mainly having success when Golovkin's pressure eased up.

Do I have more respect for Canelo than I did prior? Well, he is undoubtedly tougher than I have him credit for - as you said he didn't come close to being stopped or be in any real danger. But as a fighter, pretty similar tbh. He has legit offense, but he's a spurt fighter who throws about 4 punches a round, and fought like a bitch for half the fight. Pretty damn boring fighter to watch tbh.

 

Just rewatched it. 9-3 for Golovkin.

Canelo mostly looked to SURVIVE. Golovkin came forward, cut the ring off, landed the jab, and bossed the fight. Canelo did his usual spurt attacks but they were too infrequent and his punches had no real effect on Gennady. The decision was a travesty.

 

My thoughts EXACTLY, and same score btw.

 

REED, we can agree that if Canelo had great stamina he wins. But he doesnt. It's his biggest weakness. He has a mediocre gas tank, and can only explode in spurts. That's never gonna change about him.

 

I think X has a point.

Some fighters no matter how hard they train or in how great of shape they can get (Canelo trained 3 months for this fight I heard), will always have a suspect gas tank.

Some guys have great stamina and they just always will, until age starts to catch up. Canelo is 27 now. In his prime. It's likely that he is who he is by now. I doubt he can fight much different in a rematch than he did last night. But the judges are always on his side, so that's his ace in the hole.

 

Just read that in addition to being a corrupt "and" stupid judge, Byrd is also a trainer for judges. Can you imagine?

 

Yeah, basically if Canelo had stamina, he wouldn't be Canelo.

It would be like saying if Golovkin had Taylor's handspeed or Jackson's power, he would have knocked easily stopped Alvarez.

 

REED Didn't Score the Fight, but Felt Golovkin Did Enough to Win Close, Being Honest...No Problem w/a Draw and Definitely NOT a Robbery, Because Quite a Few Rounds Boiled Down to the Handful of CLEANER, More EYE CATCHING Shots Canelo Landed, vs. the Sustained Pressure of Triple G...

Sorry, but there was NATHAN "Skillful" about Golovkin's Approach Last Night or his Straight Up LACK of Defense...And Before You Even Attempt to Push the Narrative, it WASN'T Until Round 11 or So Where GGG Brazenly Stalked Canelo, Completely Disrespecting his Ability to Hurt Him...No Doubt About it, When Canelo WANTED to Hit Triple G, he Did...

EASILY...

You were Impressed by Golovkin's Footwork???...In Previous Fights, REED Has Been, but Last Night he Simply FOLLOWED Canelo Around the Ring...Canelo Was NEVER "Trapped" on the Ropes, his Perpetually TIRED Ass Used the Ropes to Lean On and Rest...He's Done This Throughout his Career...Golovkin Kept Walking Forward, Behind his Jab (NATHAN Fancy or Skillful about this Approach the Way GGG Utilized it Last Night), Canelo Would Inevitably Look for the Ropes, Golovkin Afforded NO Breaks and Opened Up w/Both Hands, MOSTLY Catching Arms and Gloves...

Only Way You Could Have that Fight 2-2 After 4 is BLATANT BIAS for Golovkin...Dude was Down 3-1 for Sure, Arguably 4-0...

To Be Crystal Clear, @ NO Point was Canelo "Surviving", he was Looking to Catch his 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th Wind...But When he Planted his Feet and Fired Away, All Golovkin Did was CATCH Shots...None of the "Countering Counters" or Any of the More Skillful Traits he's Exhibited in the Past, Beyond his Jab...Even w/That, when Canelo WANTED to Jab, he Jabbed Evenly w/Triple G...

Canelo Alvarez is an ELITE Level Talent w/a Tomato Can's Cardio...If he Even Had AVERAGE Stamina and Accommodating Punch Output, there's a Pretty Good Chance He'd Have Won Clearly Last Night...




REED

 

No Doubt About This...

Cardio is to Canelo as Punch Resistance is to Amir Khan...

Even Against Chavez Jr., who Offered ZERO Resistance, Canelo Looked for the Ropes for Breathers...

Dude's Body NEVER Looked Better than Last Night, yet by Round 4 or 5, he was Already Killing the Clock...Golovkin KNEW This and Smartly NEVER Relented on the Pressure from There...He Occupied Canelo Mentally and Physically for the Remainder of the Fight...




REED

 

Scoring it 2-2 is bias? But Golovkin clearly won rounds 1 and 4. I mean, I don't see either of those as being even arguable Canelo rounds. Round 1 he did nothing but get outjabbed, and round 4 is when Golokvin came out with a bit more purpose and started actually fighting a bit, winning the round clear.

 

But we can at least agree on one thing, Canelo does have elite level talent, and scrub level cardio, almost PillowFists McGregory esque

If he had legit workrate and stamina, he would be very hard to beat. Perhaps one of the reasons I don't like him is he's just frustrating to watch. The talent and ability is there, he just hardly does anything.

 

It's Part and Parcel of WHO Canelo is, and MUST Be Factored into Mythical or Real Life Matchups, for Sure...





REED

 

Did GGG come out before Canelo despite having all the alphabet belts?

 

Can only imagine how Canelo vs Jermain Taylor would look. Probably explosive as Hell for 6 rounds, then awhole lotta huffing and puffing and stalling from both for the remainder of the fight.

 

And one more thing, there's definitely nothing "fancy" about anything Golovkin does, but I guess that's one of the reasons I like him - he is a real meat and potatoes fighter. Just solid, old fashioned, fundamental skills. He is clever though and knows what he's doing all the time in the ring. His approach is always thoughtful, more so than Canelo, he has excellent distance and timing, the best jab in boxing, and is tough as nails with solid, dependable workrate and a good variety of shots that he picks well.

 

There was NATHAN "Clear" about Round 1, Mex...

Golovkin STARTED the Round Better, Canelo ENDED it Better...

They Primarily Traded Jabs and the Best Punch of the Round was Probably a Counter to the Body, from Canelo...





REED

 

kind of a poor mans Tszyu

 

Can't Disagree w/Any of This...

Despite REED's Rep as a "Hater", he Can Readily Acknowledge Golovkin's NOT an Easy Out for Any Middleweight in History...


REED