Gerald McClellan (G-Man)

He ran over some Flamingos too...

MTF :nono:

 

what say you of a man who persuades someone that he is interested in taking in a Lab as a pet, appearing to be the perfect gentleman, who then takes that poor animal home, TAPES HIS JAW SHUT AND THEN SICS HIS PITBULLS ON THE STILL LIVING AND DEFENSELESS DOG SO THAT HE CAN WATCH IT BE BITTEN TO DEATH???

If you can WATCH that, you are a scumbag... if you actually perpetrate it and plan it, you are EVIL

Imagine this man, amused and aroused by the sights and sounds of a helpless living thing being eaten alive, watching it die in the most excruciating and agonizing way imaginable, still conscious as its guts are ripped out ... that sound "so fun" to you?

When I hear of something like this, it makes me want to subject the person responsible to a similar scenario, see how much he enjoys the feeling of teeth gnashing together, ripping his skin apart, feeling every single horrifying sting of sinew being ripped from bone

if you defend him, you are scum to me

People who get off seeing other living things suffer nightmarish pain are EVIL... wether its dogs, people, birds, you name it

and before some bible thumping jackoff like Sly comes galloping (::) in here to say "he didnt kill people, so its ok" ... they would do well to remember the teachings of St. Francis of Asissi who saw animals as God's creations and God's children just like people are purported to be

 

Word. When I first read about that it made me feel sick, fuckin scumbag.

 

All which needed to be said. I could not agree more.

 

Are there any sources for that lab thing. First i heard he shot his own dog, because he lost. Now this.

Next thing he was responsible for world war II, created AIDS and cancer...

It seems G-Man becomes worse and worse in those threads about him... ::

 

I think the stories are from that book War, Baby.

McClellan did some fucked things assuming the book was accurate, but I do find it a little puzzling how he seems to generate so much more passionate hate than some other fighters who did disgusting things as well. I frequently hear "McCellan deserved what he got" yet I never see anyone wishing bad things on Jake "I rape teenage virgins" LaMotta or people cheering the bus accident that killed Carlos "I hurl women from balconies" Monzon.

You're not supposed to say anything bad about Diego "I broke the ribs of my pregnant wife" Corrales since he's dead. Arturo Gatti as well.

McClellan was a pretty sick individual but I still have a tough time watching interviews with him and seeing what became of him. Jo-El Scott, now that's someone who deserves a fate even worse than what G-Man is going through. He should die a slow painful death.

 

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,583541,00.html

 

Yeah seriously, boxers get a pass for raping or beating up women all the time, but god forbid, someone ain't nice to dogs... ::

 

Listen... I'm no animal lover, but Cdogg is correct. The fashion in which Gerald executed those dogs is the sign of a rather sadistic/disturbed person.

You dont have to commit human murder/rape to be a scumbag of a person.

And Monzon gets no pass. He was a great, great fighter.... but everybody knows that he was twisted/crazy SOB outside the ring. Probably why he was so cold, clinical and emotionless as a fighter. Dude was most likely a sociopath.

 

What should also be remembered about McClellan's behavior is that he very likely did not choose it but he was mentally sick. Mental hospital would have been the correct place for him. What he did was about as low as a human can go, but can he really be held responsible for something he could not control? Mental sickness is not easy to understand since it is natural for people to try to reason things, but these guys don't work by reason

 

a lot of wife beating boxers get a pass... If Tyson did that to a dog, nobody would care...

 

My opinion of a fighter is seperate to the person. McClellan was a piece of shit, but a helluva fighter. Floyd is a bit of a twat but one of the best boxers I've ever seen. Valero was fucking pondscum, and was overrated as a boxer. End of the day, no one takes away from the fighter, but you have to be very fucked to do what Gerald did and consider it normal behaviour, regardless of whether it was a human victim or not.

 

Sorry, but Gerald McClellan chose to do the things he did. There has never been --- nor will there ever be --- any kind of tangible, realistic proof a person, "cannot control" conscious actions. That is a fallacy. It is nonsense, & he has no excuses.

 

So are you saying that there are no such things as mental disorders? If a person is depressed, he should just cheer up? If he hears voices in his hea, he should just tell himself to stop being silly?

Do you really think a guy who let's say rapes children goes through a normal thinking progress? First he chooses to feel lust at children even though he could find an adult to meet, he knows he hurts them very bad by what he does, he knows what will happen to him when he gets caught and he still does it because he believes it is a rationale thing to do? I do not believe it.

I think G-Man lacked some of the feelings most people have, for example he could not feel pity at all and he could not fully understand what it means to hurt somebody. That's why he should have been in a mental hospital but it is not the same as that he chose his behavior

 

are we going into a lil determinism debate here? ::

 

Well, I guess it's your suspicion he could not feel pity --- it's my suspicion he was simply a sadist, who derived pleasure from the sport he was involved in. It's open to debate, I suppose.

What isn't open to debate, though, is this --- there is not, has not, & will never be, documentation which proves a person makes conscious decisions in an unwilful fashion. Since McClellan wilfully made the decision to be involved in dog-fighting, that makes him guilty. He can never be, "a victim" of any mental state in this regard. He actively chose to commit his heinous acts, & no one could ever prove the contrary. It is as baseless a, "science" as claiming the sky ain't blue.

 

I am not sure about US but at least over here court rules a different punishment for a person who has a mental disorder (they get treated) compared to a healthy one. I am no psychologist but I do think people can be mentally ill and to me saying that they actively choose their actions is to say that a person with bad eyes actively chooses not to watch properly.

 

Sometimes defendants use an insanity defense. The guy who shot Ronald Reagan, John Hinckley, got acquitted by reason of insanity (his lawyer was Vincent Fuller who defended Tyson in the rape case).

I don't know about mental disorders being used in court and how successful they are. Sociopathy is a mental disorder.

 

Ive said disparaging things about ALL of them

Secondly, I never said I wanted McClellan to be in a coma

Finally, my post was more about how so many people think its ok to torture and mutilate things, as long as it isnt a human

 

The problem is that there arent any other things that make McLellan appear mentally ill... there is nothing that indicates he suffered from impairments of emotion or empathy in terms of having a family, for example... he wasnt schizophrenic... he wasn't DPD... and a perosn suffering from Clinical Depression or Anxiety Disorder isnt actively acting on another living being... there is no initiative on that person's part

Mental Illness is a very real thing, but to simply assume that anyone who does shitty things must be mentally ill is fallacious at best... there is such a thing as just being a shitty, selfish being

 

Sociopathy is an UNCURABLE Mental Disorder, dont forget

Therapy in a sociopath actually has an ADVERSE effect as it helps the subject practice his/her lying and manipulating ability

Its like people who think Mike Vick is SORRY FOR WHAT HE DID TO THOSE ANIMALS ... they are sorely mistaken... he is SORRY HE GOT CAUGHT

The only fear a sociopath has is getting caught, thats the only sorrow they feel

 

I wasn't singling you out, I was talking more about the way people talk about him in general on forums. More so on other forums.....an animal-killer seems to generate so much more hatred than fighters who rape, kill, and beat women.

 

well there are more than a few men here who have very unflattering things to say about women in general

I think some of the spotlight on G-Man comes from the overwhelming amount of sympathy he seems to generate and I think a lot of people fell like "hey, dont forget what this guy was like"

If people were claiming Carlos Monzon was a heroic figure, I think youd see the same outrage

 

I suspect we'd see quite a few Tyson fans making excuses for him, and claim he's actually a nice guy and is misunderstood.

 

Not to minimize how entirely fucked up McClellan's actions were, but you are correct. Many boxing fans are willing to overlook a variety of sins on a fighter's resume that they are a fan of.