Good win for Cotto, but one things for sure.....

because there are the only fighters shane has every beaten right? ::

 

Well no...he also beat Rivera and wise.::

Ok fair enough....Shane beat Oscar..very good win....but Oscar was mindlessly slugging, and De La Hoya isn't as good at that game (pressure pressure pressure) as Miguel Cotto would be. Oscar probably hits harder than Cotto...BUT Cotto causes more damage because of his accuracy and relentlessness.

 

You are such a pussy. Why you can't just admit you dislike the guy is beyond me. I don't know if you're afraid you'll get attacked or what but I definitely respect someone who admits they don't like a fighter as opposed to stating otherwise while constantly berating that fighter. You've never picked Mosley to win, you're always in the group that is arguing against him, and you make negative posts about him, but we're supposed to believe you like him. Why don't you fucking man up and admit the truth because you're really getting on my nerves with your fucking lies.

Evidence says you're a Mosley hater, so why don't you finally let your balls drop and admit it.

 

No he wasn't. That's one of those misconceptions that's gotten repeated so much it's become an urban myth.

I rewatched that fight about 3 weeks ago. DLH was NOT coming forward and mindlessly slugging.

Peace.

 

This is the problem when once-elite fighters like Mosley continue to fight when they are already way past their best (Shane hasn't been a top-level fighter for many years now) and as an effect, incur multiple losses. People tend to lose perspective.

Fact is: A shopworn, 37 year-old Shane Mosley gave a prime Miguel Cotto all he could handle.

If Cotto fought the 2000 version of Shane that beat Oscar, he'd be destroyed. Mosley would outspeed and outland him, wouldn't get tired, would still have that iron chin, and, would more than match Cotto in the strength and will department.

Fuck, Cotto would be destroyed if he fought prime versions of Tito, Quartey and DLH. I probably wouldn't even pick him over Forrest.

 

But I bet you think Fraud beats a prime Shane ay?,.. Do you think Fraud beats a prime De La Hoya after that close, split decision?... :crafty:

 

This makes the assumption that Cotto will not get any better. He's only 27 right? Who's to say he doesn't improve? This is the problem with that 'prime' nonsense. You can only tell when it was once it's over.

 

dsimon writes:

Again agreed.

Comments about a younger Shane are also true, without dispariging the guy, he is a one gear fighter, always has been. Probably looked better than most against Cotto and deserves props

 

I disagree. I rewatched this fight a few weeks ago too and thought that although Oscar wasn't mindlessly slugging, he was mindlessly coming forward in a way that suggested he figured Mosley would eventually wilt. Oscar used almost no defense in that fight and the evidence could easily be seen by how messed up his face was. Oscar was just coming forward. He also won most of the exchanges with Shane and Oscar's superior height and size seemed to help him. In fact that statement Foreman made about Oscar's shoulders almost makes sense. Steward also made a good point about Oscar not being able to continuely get up for all of the superfights he was continually making. I came away from that thinking that if a hungry Oscar fought a hungry Shane, Oscar would likely win with a better game plan.

 

Oscar WAS mindlessly slugging, dude. He wasn't doing anything other than stalking Shane paying little attention to defense and trying to knock him out. Obviously De La Hoya didn't look crude like a Mayorga or whatnot...because he's a great fighter....but this doesn't change the fact that he WAS mindlessly slugging Sugar Shane Mosley. :nono:

He totally underestimated Shane.

 

The problem is people for some reason wanted to see DLH jabbing and moving and boxing in this fight.

I TOTALLY agree that DLH felt that he could physically overwhelm the "smaller man" coming up from 135.

And he did fight aggressively.

But to say he was "mindlessly slugging" is ridiculous.

Matter of fact, DLH landed alot of jabs in the first half of the fight - and used those jabs to good effect to set up hooks to the body and his under-used right hand to Shane's head.

Shane himself said those DLH jabs stiffened up his spine.

What happened is that Shane began to adjust in the 2nd half of the fight and use his own jab, footwork and angles....and DLH was stymied.

He couldn't adjust and didn't know quite what to do.

DLH has ALWAYS, ALWAYS had problems dealing with speed and a jab that is faster than his (even if it's not as hard, which Mosley's isn't).

Vs. Quartey, Whitaker, Carr, Mosley, Mayweather....Oscar has almost always become more flat-footed and looked to brawl and slug more when he's been outspeeded and/or out-jabbed.

Thing is, that fight vs. Mosley was the first time we saw DLH outspeeded by that much...so the contrast and his confusion doesn't help.

Trying to be aggressive, going to the body, using power? Sure....he wasn't on his toes and jabbing and countering and moving.

But he wasn't "mindlessly slugging." Not by a longshot.

Peace.