Guzman-Soto Nov. 17 at the Borgota (NJ)

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looks like I'll have to make sure I'm not on call so I have a shot to go see this!

 

I already checked, you are on call that day, in fact the boss wants to see you right now.

 

Soto also has 5 losses, seriously he's failed more times than Guzman who is champion in two divisions and undefeated.

how the hell do you come up with that conclusion? :dunno:

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Soto's one of those guys who lost early in his career and improved dramatically. To be honest I haven't seen much of Guzman, but what I did see didn't overly impress me.

I may be wrong about this pick. It's usually when I don't know much about one of the fighters that I'll get a pick wrong, but when I know alot about both, I rarely miss. You'll see that after the Mosley-Cotto fight.

 

even if he lost early in his carreer no way should Soto have lost to an old Kevin Kelly if Soto is to be taken serious.

The thing is Soto's losses never came because he stepped up the competition. He just lost period. He is a good fighter but no way can I put him as a favorite over guys lilke Pacquiao, JMM, and Guzman.

I just don't get your point about Guzman not impressing you. So how has Soto impressed you?:dunno:

 

He definitely has stamina issues, and that's because he blows up like this in between bouts....





The rumor is, he didn't really have an injury leading up to the Katsidis fight. Supposedly, he needed more time to shed the extra poundage. Mind you, he normally fights at 130, and the Katsidis fight would have been at 135.

 

When Soto beat the ever loving snot out of Rocky Juarez--and might I add, more impressively than MAB was able to do in 2 tries--I became an instant fan. He also looked good in 2 other fights I saw him in including against Paquiao 2.5.

I don't remember shit about the Guzman fight only that I came away unimpressed and seriously disliking the guy's style.

 

since when is beating Juarez a big deal?:dunno:

since when is being the 14th fighter to beat bobby paquiao anything special?:laughing:

Maybe Soto is more fun to watch but I don't see how he became such a threat right out of thin air? :dunno:

 

Damn i tottally forgot about this fight. Plus how could he get that fight so quickly. Ho looked in good condition on 24-7 with Floyd Sr.

 

First, I never said those wins were THAT special. I was just answering your question of why I liked Soto.

Anyway, who has Guzman beat that puts him in the p4p race?

 

I never said he was pfp material. Although Floyd sr. claimed he was #2 behind Floyd jr. ::

winning a world tittle at 122 and 130 and still being undefeated is pretty good. I also think he would have won a tittle at 126 if Harrison would have fought him.

The Barrios win is better than anything Soto ever did.

Skill wise Guzman is so much better. ONly advantage I give Soto is the power. But his 5 losses prove how beatable he is.

 

Personally I don't think the Barrios win was better than Soto handing Juarez his first loss. Also Soto's domination of Juraez was more impressive than Guzman's defeat of a lightly skilled Barrios who's sole claim to fame was giving Freitas a tough fight. On top of that Barrios didn't even look like the same guy who gave Freitas that tough fight. He looked slow and rustyer than usual.

 

yeah well Guzman made him look like that. that's the reason he is so good because he is that fast and skilled. ONly think he lacks is the power he had at 122 but he is that good of a boxer.

Juarez is more overrated than Soto. The guy got a gift against Raheem and that was it. His claim to glory was also giving MAB a tough fight but he got schooled in the rematch.

Soto lost to a shot Kevin Kelley for god's sake. I just don't get how you look past a loss like that yet you can nit pick Guzman's record which until now is perfect.:dunno:

Soto to me is like Margarito in the sense that ARum decided to promoted them as the most feared fighters of their divisions without coming close to earning them.

you can even question the value of Guzman tittle wins but that' something Soto hasn't even accomplished yet.

 

Here's the funny thing: You claim Juarez was overrated, yet at the time Soto beat him he was just as proven as Guzman is right now. Yeah, he had trouble with Raheem's gutless style but remember he made Raheem take a knee and he still won the fight and no, it wasn't a gift.

I never nitpicked Guzman's record, I asked you earlier who Guzman has defeated of any signifcance and you ducked the question, and I only asked that because YOU were nitpicking Soto's record. Now admittedly Soto losing to Kelly does bother me a bit, but since I don't know the specifics of that while also having seen Soto's last few performances I have to say that I still like the guy. Like I said I don't know for sure he's going to win, because I haven't seen enough of Guzman. I do know this, if Guzman is showing as much a lack of respect for Soto as you are he can get beat, because Soto--loss to Kelly or not--is still good enough to beat him.

Soto is alot more skilled now than Margarito ever was or will be. Somehow Margarito seems to have peaked skillwise a long time ago which is sad when you think of how limited and sloppy he is.

 

Guzman has alot of skills and plenty of reflexes...

But he is also inconsistent, has mental lapses, fatigues in the 2nd half of fights and rarely if ever commits fully to his shots anymore.

You talk about the Barrios win - but let's remember that was a very close fight. I had it 7-5 for Guzman.

It's not always about pedigree and resumes....if it was, there'd never be upsets or new players and there'd never be a reason to pick the less accomplished fighter.

I think Soto has the style, stamina, workrate, straight punching and late-rounds surge to give Guzman ALOT of trouble.

I think Guzman can buzz/hurt him with a punch or three that Soto doesn't see...but I don't think Joan can finish Soto if it comes to that.

Peace.

 

Yep. I initially picked Barrios to win that fight but changed my mind after he came in over weight.