Haney vs. Loma

Haney isn't mediocre. I hate him, but don't go overboard. If he were mediocre, a guy on Loma's level would have destroyed him.

Haney is a good fighter. He just isn't special.

I think Haney is like a less talented Howard Davis. He'll get more outta his career because he's more dedicated to the sport than Davis was, but Howard on his best day was better than Haney.

 

The only one or two I can think of off the top of my head is Calzaghe Vs Hopkins (Hopkins was never an establishment guy, see both fights with Taylor) and Brook Vs Porter (Porter was absolutely the B side in the entire Crawford/Spence thing)

Establishment guys are like 50-2 in the "I wonder what way this close decision might go" stakes.

If Taylor had finished on his feet Vs Froch, he'd have won too.

I don't necessarily object to the flex, but I DO get pissed off with the journalism that seeks to downplay and twist all these things so it smells legit.

"Close rounds! I felt Haney did more!! Uhhh....Loma is old! He looked old!! These things happen!" Etc

It's not just that. Hatton was clearly inferior to Floyd but Cortez let Floyd away with shit like throatbars, penalised Hatton,got involved in Hattons corner. Ward was clearly better than Kessler but was allowed to use his head a lot.

 

Older, more injured, smaller and lacking the true punch to make guys let him take a breather.....I hate to say it but Lomachenko is basically a massive "name" opponent right now. He can't win a fight against younger bigger guys who have 8-4 judges backing him.

And, if he can't make 130, then I don't see what he can realistically do bar retire now.

 

Agreed and Porter wasn't really a protected species either. I think Brook kind of crept up on them in a sense.....they weren't ready with the right judges.

One big exception is Khan Vs Petersen. I genuinely think the referee in that fight was right to take issue with Khan's pushing. Khan could have won easy but he allowed himself to fight the other guys fight. And that was legitimately close in that Petersen never stopped throwing. Sure there was the testosterone thing but on the basis of 12 rounds of activity Khan kind of blew it.

Again, Petersen wasn't an establishment figure and it's not like that referee got a tonne of big rewards after. I've never seen him since.....

 

One more....Hatton Vs Collazo.

Again.....Hatton was probably favoured because he had the promotional edge.

And it's not like Collazo had people looking out for him.

 

Yeah, I thought Collazo clearly beat Hatton. Thats such a forgotten robbery.

 

I doubt Team Haney will want one. Too much risk and there are more lucrative and WINNABLE fights for Haney out there.

 

Smartest Route, No Doubt...

A Loss is IMMINENT for Dev, May as Well Get the Most Money in the Process, ie., Tank...




REED

 

Dev Really IS...

Public Pressure Will Mount to Grant Loma a RE, No One Will Favor Him in Big Fights w/Tank or Shakur, No One Wants to See Him vs. Lower Tier Lightweights the Likes of Isaac Cruz...He'll Be Even LESS of a Puncher @ '40, Where Taylor, Teofimo and Prograis Would All Be Favored to Beat Him...

As REED Types, He's Not Sure Dev Beats Jose Ramirez...

If Ryan Garcia Acquires a Belt, Presumably the One Rolly Romero was Just GIFTED, That's a Good Fight for Dev...So is Rolly for that Matter...But in Terms of NAME BRAND Super Lightweights, Those are the Caliber of Fighters Dev Would Be Favored to Beat...



REED

 

I don’t think Haney would have lost to guy like Jim Watt though. Although I do think someone like Rosario might be able to blast out Haney.

 

Rosario would absolutely butcher Haney

 

Quickly.

 

Rosario and Corrales both level Haney.

I might be in the minority here, but I think Haney outboxes Tank.

 

Nah.

I was alarmed by how easily Loma found Haney with left hands, and how poorly Haney reacted to them.

Tank at this point is quicker on the trigger than Loma.

Based on Sat, I think Tank ices Haney.

 

He definitely will outbox him, but will get knocked out. I just can't get that Linares fight out of my head.

 

If Haney were a defensive wiz the way Shakur is, I could see him beating Tank - but he ain't.

 

You throw the word robbery way too easily. I hated Hatton at the time, and i tought he deserved the win. Collazo was too inactive in the first half of the fight

 

I think weight has more to do than age. Loma looked fairly average since moving up to 135

 

I really don't. I dont use the word nearly as much youre saying. People are calling Loma-Haney a robbery. I never did.

From what I recall, Collazo clearly outboxed Hatton.

 

Well, you're in the minority thinking that, at least by the unofficial scorecard that are available on the web

 

What about young DLH and Mosley against Haney

 

Haha lets be serious. These would be routs

 

His power and work rate (not including vs Haney where he had very good output) has looked average at LW, but his skills and ability to maneuver through opponents defense is still there. Not ‘average’ at all, but agree the weight is the greatest factor in his relative decline. He’s landing the same shots that would drop guys at 126/130, but at 135 they just.. don’t..

 

Oscar and Mosley would destroy anyone currently at 135-140. Alright, I'll hold out judgement on Shakur until we know what his true peak will be, but certainly they kill everyone else.

 

I think its pretty obvious that Shakur is also not at their level. Just like it always was obvious that loma wasnt a pbf level talent

 

I don't think his output was really good against Haney. Might had good numbers, but he threw a ton of meaningless pitty patters

 

Shakur is good enough that I don't think Oscar would have an easy time with him. That doesn't mean I would take Stevensen to win, but Oscar isn't just gonna blow away an extremely talented southpaw. It would stylistically a difficult fight for DLH.

Lightweight Mosley? Shakur's odds are a lot more bleak in that one.

 

Looking at the options available, I'd say haney, being in a position of leverage based on receiving a decision Saturday, should either fight davis next or move upto 140 and fight garcia

 

Apparently all 3 judges had given Haney round 10. Had that round been scored for Loma, the fight would have been a majority draw.

 

Naw only senile moretti gave haney the 10th