Has Freddie Roach been exposed for the final time?

whiskey · Nov 25, 2015

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I tend not to take it too seriously when people (HBO) make big things out of late career "resurgences" by fighters when they are working with certain trainers.

This isn't Rocky III. There's only so much you can teach veteran world class fighters who have been fighting at the highest level. They've already seen nearly everything.

I'm looking at prior examples of when this has happened and I think it's often just a motivational thing, or trainers just helping their fighters stay confident. I'm guessing Freddie Roach helped James Toney stay somewhat motivated. I doubt there was anything new technically to really teach Toney. Only thing Mayweather Sr. seemed to help Oscar with was becoming a little more consistent with his right hand, so much as he seemed to neglect his left hook at times. The shoulder roll didn't work for Oscar.

Cotto's been fighting for so long, has a lot of wear and tear, and has been in there with the best. Maybe Roach helped him mentally, and reminded him to go with certain strengths, but I saw his resurgence after the Trout loss as a consequence of the right matchmaking, possible weight drainage on the opponent's parts, and just being a very good fighter to begin with. I always felt Martinez was overrated and that Cotto was always better overall/P4P than Sergio. But Sergio's size advantage wasn't larger than his age and health disadvantage.

Basically as a whole, trainers get overrated. Of course they can be very important, and I think Roach did a great job in fine-tuning Manny into an ATG, but more often with trainers it's just a matter of the talent in front of them.
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Agreed.

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