Hats off to one of the best of all time, as for Pavlik..

Benn was a much better fighter @ 168 than he was @ 160...where he was nothing but a chinless bully who went down in every fight and beat up a few bums along the way.

Pavlik has fought at high weights before and looked fine. He is what he is. Not many guys can replicate what Hopkins did the other night. Not many guys in the history of the sport.

 

Firstly:

Hopkins is a TOP TEN all time great...and he was BEFORE this fight and since he beat Tarver. Hopkins is greater than both Hagler and Monzon..and I'm sure at least one of them is in your top 10.


Secondly:

Hopkins didn't prove all of us wrong...I just couldn't understand, months ago, why anyone would pick Pavlik in the first place! It was OBVIOUS from Pavlik's style that he couldn't beat a clever technician like Hopkins.

 

I followed Benn's ENTIRE career and I would say this:

He achieved more at 168...but he WAS a better fighter at the lower weight in terms of raw natural ability.

 

Why don't YOU do it tough guy? Oh...I know why....because you're just a skinny pimply faced kid.

 

say it aint so?

Roy would have Richard Hall'd Pavlik......

 

good post

 

no doubt, a prime roy jones would have embarassed the hell out of pavlik to the point most (roy haters like double l) would have been calling pavlik a bum afterwards.

 

We didn't really know which Hopkins would show up. The Hops of the Calzaghe fight didn't exactly ignite the world and Pavlik was red hot. So you can understand why some people thought Hopkins would get dealt with. But he performed like he was 20 years younger. Crazy! I wish he'd fought like that against Calzaghe.

 

This is THE SAME Hopkins of the Calzaghe fight, dude, it's just that Pavlik is no Calzaghe. This is what I was trying to tell people all along:

It wasn't Calzaghe's workrate which beat Hopkins...it was his style and smarts.

Pavlik throws alot of punches...but he was NEVER going to throw alot of punches at a moving elusive target that can time his predictable ass all night long...anymore than the usually busy Chico (RIP) was going to keep up a high workrate against mayweather.

 

THe only chance I gave Pavlik was Hopkins' age of 43 possibly catching up to him.


But I knew KP was too slow and not skilled enough to deal with the Executioner.

A prime Hopkins at 160 would have stopped Pavlik. And I think this puts an end to any speculation of Taylor beating a prime Hopkins as well.

As far as Pavlik goes, he's still good and I'm still a fan. But how anybody could have SUGGESTED that he'd been able to beat a Roy Jones is beyond me. I don't even know if Pavlik could have beaten a prime Trinidad at 160.

 

Hopkins looked Sharp!

I do feel he did not look as sharp vs crapzaga.. not cuz of Joe C.. just Hops didn't look as motivated.. maybe he figured Joe was a Euro bum... Joe is pretty good.. even though I hate him and he's ugly.. not so much that he's good but he throws a LOT of slaps and is hard to box properly cuz he's so ugly and un-coordinated..

 

Pavlik's rhythm, so like so many of Hopkins' opponents, was way off because of the way Hopkins illegally hits his opponent and then immediately holds him.

I sensed a lack of passion in Pavlik's performance. You would've thought he'd have the strength to push Hopkins off him and deal with Hopkins' incessant hit and hold but he couldn't.

And when he got Hopkins against the ropes he was too patient. He was trying too hard to set up the one big shot. He should've just punished him with volumes and volumes of shots - overwhelmed him and out-muscled him.

I think Pavlik is in no way too small for 175, and especially not too small for 168. And I think he'd have no trouble knocking out guys at those weight classes.

But he just let Hopkins control the ryhthm too much - whether he knew it or not, that's what he meant when he said he couldn't get off. Hopkins was holding him and only traded with him like once or twice.

Pavlik truly had no idea what was being done to him - his rythm was being completely interrupted.

It would probably surprise a lot of people but I'll say it anyways. I think Pavlik's camp is smart enough that if they went back and watched tape and had a rematch, I think we'd see a completely different fight, and I wouldn't rule out Pavlik even winning it.

I'd like to see Kessler fight Hopikins. Kessler pulls the trigger a lot quicker than Pavlik. And jabs backing up better. Hopkins would never fight him though.

 

Excuses, excuses! You were WRONG as is your usual custom. I was right. You criticized my pick like a know it all and now when Pavlik loses in a one sided beating...you show up and make excuses.

Pathetic.

 

I love FightBeat.com. I completely miss the fight and now I'm all caught up.............and in the most entertaining way possible. ::

You cunts are the best. :bears:

 

that is pretty pathetic Double.. you always got gay excuses

 

I want to see a rubbermatch against that magician Jermaine Taylor... just to see him turn Hopkins into that old and shot fighter again, it's amazing the way he does that..:crafty:

 

Hopkins has done it again. He fought a great fight and made Pavlik look real bad. I'm questioning how good Pavlik really is after this, I'm still a fan but damn he looked bad. Hopkins is the master of taking guys stenghts away and making them look stupid. Great performance by the old man. Pavlik had no answer for the slickness of Hopkins. His footwork was great, he countered great, he just fought a perfect fight. I never would have imagined it would go that way.

 

excuses? are you sure you don't have that term mixed up with reasons? there's reasons Hopkins won. this was my attempt to outline them.

the alternative is that Hopkins won because you predicted he would. and knowing you, that's probably not an unreasonable statement from your point of view.

you're not as smart as you think you are.

 

it's his hand-speed. Hopkins can't beat fighters who have better hand-speed than him. at least, his track record would suggest that.

 

I tend to agree,.. and the fact that Jermaine is more comfortable as a counter-puncher,.. which means he's less suseptable to just walk through Hopkins guantlet of stink. That's part of the trick with Hopkins,.. if you don't lead so much,.. what can he do?.. he just stands there and has a bewildered spasm of feinting and panicking....'Oh my god, please come to me, please come to me I cant fight any other way'..

 

Taylor initiated most of the exchanges when he fought Hopkins, he didn't play the counter puncher. I think his handspeed had more to do with his "wins" than his counter puncher style. In fact, I think he was rewarded way too much for coming forward in both fight than he should have been, especially in the second one.

 

GOOD point. and it's one reason i think Pavlik could fight Hopkins in a rematch and it'd be a completely different fight (if he made the right adjustments). Not sure he'd win it, but I agree definitely with your point that he needs his opponent to come after him so he can hold and hit him and use his foot-work to make him miss.

 

if they fought again Bernard would stop Pavlik

 

Utter balls.

Benn lost almost all of his power when he moved up, which was pretty much what he had in the first place. Aside from beat Mclellan, he did absolutely nothing at 168.

Your hatred of Benn borders on the irrational.

MTF

 

its funny.....Hopkins career defining wins were supposedly versus Tito and DLH....but to me, and i expect many boxing fans....what he has done since has done more to solidify legendary status.....

....he used to be at the top of my 'most despised' list (you know, when he was making silly demands)....but now, although far from being a favourite, i have a ton of respect for him.....what he is doing at 43 is incredible

 

:nono: Uh,.. yes,.. but Im afraid that,..as usual in one of Hopkins fights, really,.. it's unfair to score rounds against the aggressor,..aka- the fighter trying to make the fight,..you've got to encourage offense,.. that's why Taylor rightfully wins,.. but make no mistake,.. Hopkins was very wary of Taylor's much feared swift counter-punching abilities,..he demonstrated occasionally as such in my signature... it was after the Taylor fights,.. that Hopkins decided to primarily back up, and pot/clinch/foul,... Taylor indeed made Hopkins think to himself,.. "I'll never lead in a fight ever again"..... ... and he never has,..

 

:: Did you watch saturday night's fight?

 

doesnt sound like it..

sounds like Kaukis typical hate the black fighter schtick