Have the odds of Floyd fighting this little hellraiser gone up or down

Ask Margarito if his next fight will be at 150 or 154. Just like ask Cotto if he will fight at 145 again.

 

Margarito has previously jump between 147 and 154...making 150 did not kill him....


Mayweather would not fight Cotto, Margarito or Clottey at ANY weight...

 

Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Williams, Cintron all TOP 7-8 Welterweight during Mayweather reign in that division....how is it possible..that he fought NONE of them...?? HOW???

How could he not fit one of these guys into his resume...? :giggle:

 

agREED...

But Only if Williams Wins the RE...Pac vs. Williams would B Another Fan-Friendly Fight, w/an Even MORE Freakish Size Discrepancy & Pac would Likely WIN...STYLISTICALLY, Martinez is WRONG for Pac...Even if Manny were to Beat Martinez, he WOULDN'T Do it Impressively...



REED:mj:

 

Why does Floyd still have groupies for? Fuck him. The fact that he managed to turn once hardcore fans like REED, and myself into detractors should tell it all. There was a point I was critical of my boy Roy, but he never lost me as fan the way Floyd has managed to do.

Floyd is simply a fuckin scumbag, and although we all like to joke on Manny possibily being on PED's... the bottom line is theres NO proof or basis to go by that he's juiced.

Floyd managed to fool the world into cast doubt on Manny, covering up the fact that he's simply a pussy not willing to get into the ring with Manny.

If it was up to Pretty Girl, he'd probably pull a "Commodus" and stab Manny in the abdomen in the locker room, then bring him into the ring to fight.

 

:atu:

 

What definition of proof and basis are you using because the ones in the dictionary don't match up with your claim?

 

Until Manny fails a piss test, or anything gets uncovered, then I dont wanna hear the stupid roid excuses.

Actually, it wasnt even Pretty Girl who originated the steriod theory. It was Maligaggi. Once Paulie said it, I bet Floyd was like "Yeah! Thats the PERFECT excuse! Accuse him of juicing, and refuse to fight him unless he submits to a battery of ridiculous tests. And if by chance he does, we'll go from there and think of more excuses." Without Paulie.... I dunno WHAT Floyd would have done to duck Manny, but I'm sure he woulda thought of something.

Floyd is just VERY fuckin played out, and indeed..... Manny doesnt need his ass AT ALL. He retires tomorrow, and he'll be remembered as a top 10-15 atg.

Floyd doesnt fight Manny, and he'll RIGHTFULLY be remembered as a baby momma beating puta who danced with the stars.

 

Actually a member of team Pac told Floyd sr that he was on the juice. Paulie jumped on the bandwagon after Manny refused the tests.

 

They both need each other. Beating Floyd would be Manny's biggest win, just like beating Manny would be Floyds.

 

Wrong. Malinaggi was questioning Manny before any kind of tests were brought up.

 

Manny doesn't have a history of fighting winners of big fights, he won't fight the winner of that fight, maybee the loser. Uncle Bob seems to be plotting a fight with Shane for Manny.

 

Unlike Floyd who would never take a fight with somebody coming off a loss.

 

Manny doesnt need Floyd. For WHAT?

He's already got more money then he could ever spend. He's a superstar in the U.S. and a GOD in the Philippines, and if retired today he'd be remembered as one of the greatest.

Floyd's celebrity in the U.S. will one day fade, and he's only one in the first place because he's RELEVANT, not because he's loved. And like the ignorant n!gga that he is he'll one day blow his millions. And if retired today he'll be remembered as amazingly gifted fighter who avoided some big challengers, and DUCKED Manny Pacquiao.

So you tell me... who needs who?

 

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And lemme also say.... Floyd doesnt just need to FIGHT Manny. He needs to BEAT Manny.

Theres NO pressure on Manny if that fight happens. He loses to Floyd, and he's still considered of the greatest, and he'll still adored by all.

Floyd loses, and he'll basically fade into obscurity, and he's so hated that his entire career will be discredited, and written off as a sham. Incorrectly so, because win or lose he's still a great fighter, but that'll be the perception.

Thats because Floyd's star power DEPENDS on his PERFECTION. He loses the "0" and he basically has nothing. He's a prick and a scumbag, and not in the entertaining and lovable way that Ali was. And he doesnt have a descructive style like Tyson to make up for his scumbag behavior. The fact that Floyd has a passive style only makes it worse.

Whereas Manny is loved as a person, has a true charisma about him that lights up a room without him having to try, and without him having to be an ass.... and has a style thats compelling to the general public WIN or LOSE.

Floyd has to WIN to be interesting. Which he KNOWS.... and which is EXACTLY why he doesnt want the fight.

 

VERY Well Said, Brother X....From the 1st Word to the Final Period...



REED:bears:

 

Floyd gets heavily criticized for it though, Manny does it again and again but gets no criticism at all for it.

 

They both need each other. Nobody wanted to see Manny fight Clottey or Margarito just like nobody wanted to see Floyd fight Shane. Everywhere both go they get constantly asked about about fighting each other. If they don't fight it hurts both guys.

 

I am not a fan of Floyd, but Manny's achievements do not count as counter-achievements as far as Floyd is concerned. In otherwords, Mannys wins should not count against Floyd's own reputation. Manny could knock the ghost of Ray Robinson out and it shouldn't count against Floyd. You cannot say Floyd is fading into obscurity if he takes the fight and loses.....because you cannot go from being the center of the biggest fight of all time to obscurity just by losing it. Somebody has to lose it. How can you win the biggest fight of all time against an obscure guy? :dunno: Your taking of the fight should still stand to you.

But what is killing Floyd here is the PR disaster that the man has become. The distasteful video's, the bad handling of the business with Marquez, the fact that Manny is portraying himself as this little man that is killing all these big dudes {he dragged Margarito down and Cotto and Oscar down to his weight, and Floyd/Alcohol had ruined Hatton}. Manny is a real PR specialist, with his handicapped trainer and his nods to the referee to stop the fight when he felt Margarito had had enough. This is all PR magic, the little 3rd World Bumpkin who stands up to bigger {dehydrated} guys and has a special place in his heart for his opponents.

Floyd is losing big-time in the PR stakes. In an era of repossessions and foreclosures his swank nature and his Vegas palace ain't cutting it. Manny is knee-deep in rainwater in the Philippines running for office and posing with his wife {whom he cheats on, be sure of it} and eating noodles from a cup. Floyd in the meantime is stealing bejeweled Ipods. Only one winner in the PR stakes.

 

Excellent post. Including the comparisons to Ali and Tyson. You're right, Floyd needs that undefeated record.

 

What's more is that the easiest fights of his career (easiest in terms of how dominant he's been) have come against guys much bigger than him. Part of it is the speed advantage he has over the bigger guys, but part of it too is how much he's improved throughout his career.

I still think his demolition of MAB in their first fight was his most impressive. Nobody gave him a shot in that fight and he won almost every round.

 

Manny has not demolished any giants.

Be real.

Oscar was never a Welter in the first place. By the time he fought Manny, he was a part-time boxer who couldn't make 147 without, literally, damaging his health.

Cotto wasn't a Welter either, and even at that, he had to come down.

If he wants to kill Giants then let him buy a rifle and move to New Jersey.

 

Yep, in large part due to the fact that it was a bit of a shocker to most people, including me.

I thought Barrera was simply too big and too good. I didn't give Pacquiao much chance.

He didn't just beat Barrera, he gave him 1 sided beating, Barrera didn't stand a chance.

And it is ironic with the big guys. I agree, it's 50% his HUGE advantage in speed and agility, and also that he just keeps getting more skilled and polished, with better defense. Plus he has respectable power even at welterweight, and a solid chin.

 

confessions of a true Floyd nuthugger.

Baldomir had a better resume than Margarito?



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I think you're too cynical for this board. Mods?

Don't discount the significance that it's occurred to Pacquiao that coming off as a good person can endear him to fans. For PBF, he can't even fathom such a public.

 

Agree for the most part, except, Floyd KNOWS he can win the fight. Floyd isn't scared of Manny. People STILL underrated Floyd's self-confidence (if that were possible). Floyd has seen manny beaten by Morales and almost by Marquez. He knows exactly how to beat Pacquiao.

I've said it before...it's easy for Manny to throw 100 punches per round against stationary punching bags...let's see him do it against an elusive ghost who will be counterpunching with great speed and accuracy. We saw how Marquez' counterpunches were discouraging Manny from throwing (even after Manny looked like a killer against Barrera and Morales)..Floyd does everything Marquez does ten times better.

 

At the time in 2006 yes. Baldos biggest win was Judah and Margaritos was Cintron.

 

let me see Mayweather knows how to beat Pacquiao, he and his family believe even a PED' up Pacquiao will be easy task for Mayweather....YET Mayweather is throwing up every road block NOT to fight Pacquiao...I WONDER WHY....:dunno:


CLEAN or STEROID UP Pacquiao..makes no difference Floyd Mayweather Jr. will beat him with no problem...but still Mayweather won't fight him..I WONDER WHY...?

Bitch and cry about wanting Pac to take olympic style testing....up to 14 days before the fight...after months of both camps back and forth BS...Pacquiao finally agrees to 14 days..and Mayweather runs away...


Why not fight Cotto, Margarito, Williams, Cintron, or Clottey back in 2007-2008..."you know I want to retire for a year and rest"...

Why not fight Pacquiao..."he doesn't want to take the drug test...WHAT? He agree to the testing...let me talk to Ellerbe..."...now he has some legal issues he can HIDE behind...

 

mayweather jr was set to face spinks (who clearly had a better resume than margarito at the time) until fat fucks like dan rafael began to complain and clamor for baldomir.