HBO Article on the Margarito hand-wrapping incident

Ah, O.K...

So U ACCIDENTALLY INSERTED the "Retroactive" Line while Specifically QUOTING REED, Mr. Mitchell Capetillo???:boohoo:....U're a Damned GOOD & RESPECTED Poster who's FUN to Debate Most of the Time, Dude...But then there's Times like THIS, where U Put Up a BULLSHIT FACADE of Objectivity, DESPITE Spending a LARGE PORTION of YOUR Messageboard Existence Vehemently Arguing IN FAVOR OF Margarito...

It's O.K. to CARE...Clearly, U HAVE & DO Care about the State of Antonio Margarito's Boxing Career...MOST So-Called "Boxing Fans" DO...Sorry, but this IS a STUNNING CONCLUSION to what has Been a MEMORABLE Messageboard Back & Forth Debate for MANY Years...Like him or Not, Antonio Margarito STIRRED UP Debate Around Here for MANY Years....

But Make NO Mistake, this was a CRUSHING Blow for ANY Years Loooooooong Member of the PRO-Margarito Faction....



REED:kidcool:

 

I was quoting you quoting wedding shirt.

It really does make it easier for you to project your emotions onto other posters. I'm not sure why it is, but it is...and do I find that interesting.

Margarito's been one of the most talked about and debated boxers in the sport, for years.

Take today, for instance....exactly what else are boxing fans talking about today?

Roy Jones-Omar Sheika?

Alfred Angulo-Cosme Rivera?

So, yeah, I'm talking about Antonio Margarito.

But I stated right off the bat if Margarito was found to be a cheater, it'd change the way I viewed him.

I'm not trying to make excuses for him or deflect anything. I would boycott any future fights of his. I have no interest in him as a fighter, anymore.

Surprisingly, the opinions of him who haven't changed have been the one's who've detracted from him all along...and who now claim that today is, in part, a validation of that.

But that hardly seems to make sense, given that, during the time of most of those debates, the only people that seemed to have any knowledge of his illegal wrappings were Billy Collins Sr., who "knew" about it and said nothing, and wedding shirt, who had "bad vibes" and also said nothing.

 

exactly. these margarito critics feel vindicated. it is pure speculation and nothing more that he cheated versus cotto.

 

So the truth is finally out. He's a cheat. He should have received a lifetime ban. Boxing doesn't need shit like this.

 

dsimon writes:

the term "pure" here is as loaded as Tony's gloves:: But the point stands... as much as I agree with the sentiments expressed by Reed and I do sometimes feel like Margarito has become a polarizing figure (ya think?) There does have to be some proof of exactly what happened.

A little transparency would go a long way here and to date no commissionhas disclosed what they found.

 

dsimon writes:

that is frankly ridiculous but respect what you wish. You do admit to a difference and that is central to my point... or to the laws of discrimination that we as people are given by our powers of rationality.

REspect is one thing legally? if you directly and immantenly cause harm the penalty goes up.

 

Nice to know your still alive,.. are you able to breathe down there you poor bastard?.. .. Im hundreds of miles away in the middle of NSW and you can still barely see anything for the grit,.. I wonder how much of the mist around here has come off some poor bastard's skull.

 

Again, Simes...this is only one persons opinion; your's. I don't agree with either of you, and thats just my own.

 

Mitchell, what IS all this retroactive bullshit you're spouting about?

In my years as a Marge hater did I suspect for 1 second that he was a cheater of any kind, loaded gloves, roids anything? In all honesty, no. It never crossed my mind at all.

I simply stated I never liked the guy, I never got a god feeling about him like I do with many fighters, this is aside from not thinking he was a particularly skilled or talented fighter.

Am I saying "I was teh proved right for not liking Marge!!!" ?

No I'm not.

I'm simply saying, somehow I am not surprised.

If it was someone like Pacman or Morales that got caught with loaded gloves, I'd be shocked.

But Marge? No, I was not surprised. It has nothing to do with me being proved right, or suspecting Marge is a cheater.

 

fuck all you haters. margarito is still the man.

 

Um, no he isn't. He's a cheating scumbag in the Panama Lewis mould, and he just got a 1 sided shitkicking from Mosley.

In fact he's not even close to being the man, he's sort of at the opposite end of the spectrum.

 

Personally, the Actual FIGHT w/Mosley "Vindicated" REED's Margarito Suspicions MORE than the Handwrapping Fiasco....Shane Made Margarito Look EXACTLY as REED has been Describing him for the Last Several Years...

The 1 Time Anti-Margarito Guys were FORCED to Reconsider is the Cotto Fight...Sorry, but that Fight HAS to B Looked @ DIFFERENTLY, N Hindsight...Cotto was Perceived as a BIGGER THREAT to Margarito, a BIGGER FIGHT For Margarito....Cotto was Margarito's SHOT @ the Bigtime, Headlining a Vegas PPV Card...

So if Margarito was Caught TRYING to Cheat vs. Sugar Shane WHY WOULDN'T he Do Likewise Against Cotto, N a More IMPORTANT Fight???...Beneath the Margarito NUTHUGGERY, U Guys KNOW this Makes Perfect Sense....



REED:mj:

 

"Fuck you, REED!!!" - Joony



REED:cheer:

 

This Margarito fellow you guys are talking about..................it he any good?

 

And if you take what Freddie Roach said into consideration...guys in the gym suspected he was up to something as well.

 

REED "Musta Forgot"...

What did Roach Say???...REED Vaguely Remembers some Roach Comments Being Replayed on FNF, but REED Doesn't Recall Anything Along the Lines of what U're Saying....



REED:dunno:

 

there's no evidence what so ever that he cheated against anyone.

he and/or his trainer ATTEMPTED to use whatever it was they tried to use, but did not happen.

he lost to mosley fair and square, that's fine by me, but at the end of the day, Margarito > Cotto

 

No.

 

rashad calloway or whatever his name is, said he got hit by margarito during sparring and was severely knocked out. apparently, that blow pretty much ended his career.

there's an article on it at boxingscene somewhere.

 

"Good & TERRIBLE" - Coming to America....



REEDartie:

 

OK, let's give him a HUGE benefit of the doubt, and say the Mosley was a 1 time thing.

That's still OK by you, that he was about to load his gloves in that fight?

It doesn't matter that he was caught, the fact that he tried is bad enough.

So how exactly is he the man? By being a horrendous cheater, or by losing to Mosley badly in 1 sided fashion?

 

There was DRIED BLOOD on the "Inserts", Joony....He's USED them Before...



REED:mj:

 

He Doesn't DESERVE the Benefit of the Doubt...The Mere Fact that DRIED BLOOD was Found on the Inserts is PROOF that they've Been Used PREVIOUSLY...In SPARRING, an Actual Fight or WHEREVER...



REED:mj:

 

he's certainly not the best welterweight in the world after that mosley loss, but i still think he's an accomplished prize fighter.

if he's a cheat, then i guess his career undermines every state athletic commissions that ever allowed him to get in the ring.

i guess all of margarito's past opponents' trainers were duped as well.

 

His career isn't over but it fractured his orbital bone (as Roach said on FNF).

 

It's certainly possible. It was only Richardson's dilligence that caught Margarito, if not for Richardson, then yes Marge would have got away with it against Mosley, just like he MIGHT have for many fights in the past.

 

As you know, I don't believe he should be given the benefit of the doubt at all.

Dried blood aside, as you pointed out, Cotto was seen as a far bigger threat than Mosley, and if he felt the need to cheat against Mosley, he almost certainly would have against Cotto.

I was just using it as an argument against Joony, as in, let's give Marge the BEST case scenario, and say he only cheated against Shane, it's still a bit fucking weird to come on here and call Plasterito "the man" :notallthere:

 

why wouldn't he cheat against williams? a guy he had actually sparred against and been given all he could handle?

 

Maybe he Did:dunno:...

What we DO Know is, Margarito Got Caught ATTEMPTING to Fight w/BLOODY "Inserts", which had OBVIOUSLY Been Used Before....



REED:mj:

 

I'm still not quite clear on what was found. a hardened, brick like piece of gauze with some substance that formed a plaster and of course the possible dried blood indicating it had been used before??

was this "insert" already as hard as plaster when it was found in the wrap, or was it in the process of hardening?

seems pretty fucking bold to think you'd get away with something so obvious unless the state commission was completely oblivious.

if this was something they planned and had been doing for other fights why did they need to save this blood stained evidence (according to some here) of previous wrong doing, why not just make a new "insert" is it that fucking difficult?

why attempt such shenanigans against a fighter being trained by a guy who had previously caught someone with illegal wraps in one of the most notorious fiascos in recent memory.

margarito got caught and deserves to be punished accordingly but there are a lot of things I don't understand as far as why he did this. maybe some of you ace speculators can help me out with some answers.