HBO FIGHT CARD 11 April 2009

100% agreed.

 

I don't think Winky is completely done, Williams attributes make him one of the most hard to discourage, Winky couldn't get his respect no matter what he tried to set up, and Williams had his foot on the gas and never let up.

 

Steward: I could watch Winky on our network again.

Larry: I wouldn´t go that far.

That was nasty. ::::

 

Stamina is my main guess.

Williams is bouncing on his toes moving side to side throwing EFFECTIVE punches for 36 minutes straight. Even at the professional level, you won't find many that can do that every fight.

I didn't see the Quintana fight that he lost. I'll have to take a look at that and see how his style got solved for one fight.

 

First fight:

Arreola did exactly what he needed to do. I am not sold that he can go all the way because I think he is too suceptible to counterpunching, particularly the left hook. I would like to see him put it in there with someone with some real countering ability, so that he can learn to adjust to it and perhaps overcome it. But, offensively, I like what I saw from him. Excellent punch selection, particularly on the salvo that ended the fight. The fact that McCline is a fighter I have detested for years (so much so that I actually rooted against him when he fought John Ruiz, of all people) made the KO more fun

Second Fight:

Paul Williams is one of a kind. I have never seen a fighter that tall fight the way he does... his upper body movement is extraordinary for his body type and his stamina is off the charts. He dominated Winky. And this wasnt a case where Winky is some shot old "name" opponent, he still looked pretty sharp to me, he just could not do anything with Williams because Williams's style and his attributes wouldn't let him do anything. I'd like to see him in with a true puncher at 160 to really guage what he has. But honestly, if he can take a good shot, I think he could easily beat Pavlik or Abraham

 

paul williams is a bad man. good victory for him. a sharper, younger wright wouldve beat him I think. nonetheless wright wouldve done a lot better against a guy like pavlik.

 

I agree. The Wright of 03 would've schooled Paul. Still, Paul put up a very good performance.

 

I posted this just before New Years!

PAUL IS THE MAN!

 

Hopefully, the Boxing World will NEVER have to See Jameel DECLINE's Sorry Ass on Television Again...Sorry, but he Didn't even TRY to Beat the 10 Count...It was a Nice Shot, but NOT a 10-Count Inducing Shot...DECLINE COULD Have Fought Onwards, he just BITCHED OUT...& There'll B Absolutely NO INCENTIVE for Arreola to Actually B IN-SHAPE for his Next Fight...

As for Paul Williams, he's RIDICULOUS...& Props to Manny Steward for Putting HIMSELF on a Limb w/his Pre-Fight Prediction AND Being Accurate...Like CDogg Said, Paul Williams is "One of a Kind"...Until Williams, REED had NEVER Seen a Guy Punch ACROSS his Body, UNDER 1 of his Own Arms & LAND an Uppercut...But Due to his FREAKISH Reach, Williams Does this w/Regularity...

Dude is a Stylistic NIGHTMARE for just about ANYBODY....


REED:kidcool:

 

Thanx for the insight Caligula II. (I was being ironic, though).
Quintana had an extremely good night in their first fight, & was very elusive.
What happened in the re was what I was expecting to inevitably happen all throughout the first fight.

 

Seriously, Winky was holding one of his arms, and Williams consistently landed that uppercut for the first half of the fight. Cortez is an idiot and kept warning Williams.

Winky finally learned how to defend it...by turning his body and keeping his hand down to his side. Re-read that sentence and think how stupid that sounds, yet is was the proper defense for the angle Paul would throw the uppercut in close.

He's easily my favorite fighter right now.

 

Dominant fight by Williams. Great win for him.

That said, somebody needs to smack Jim Lampley upside the head with a Compubox machine. Not throw it at him and miss..........but actually hit him.............really hard............upside the head.


:kick:

 

It Definitely Gets OLD when Lamps HARPS on it Fight After Fight, but N the Case of Paul Williams it's JUSTIFIED...The AMOUNT of Shots Williams Consistently Throws Is Usually THE STORY of his Fights...

Joe Blow Couch Potato would B HARD PRESSED to Hit a HEAVYBAG 1,087 Times in 36 Minutes...Williams CONSISTENTLY Does this Against World Class Fighters...

Fucking AMAZING...
REED:mj:

 

When Lamps tells us to just throw out the punches landed because that's more subjective and just count the punches thrown to decide who wins the round it makes me think he's lost the plot.

.............well that and Lamps obsessing over the belly button ring on the Ring Card girl between rounds. ::

 

And what in the hell was Larry Merchant talking about?? I was distracted through the remainder of the fight trying to figure out what he could have possibly meant::

Maybe all of us have been wrong through the years and Merchant really is some sort of mad genius and we're the dumb ones::

 

I thought the "this is something that can't be done with a mobile phone" line was a funny one

 

Larry is awesome but yeah, that was strange. HBO went from rarely ever showing the Ring Card Girls to having two old men drooling over a not particularly special one with a paunchy belly and a belly ring.

"You can't do THAT with a mobile phone!"...............? I don't even know what that means. ::

Makes me think Larry and Lamps probably tag-teamed her the night before with a special concoction of rohypnol and R. Kelly ring tones.

 

I think he meant it as a compliment to the looks of the girl. On other words "even though everything is done with mobile phones these days, they can't give a boner to an old man like me like this chick just did".

Lampley then continued the joke by asking "what, to announce the round upcoming" as if he hadn't understood (and seen) what Larry meant.

 

I cant lie.... a year ago, myself(and most everybody else as well) would have given Tall Paul ZERO chance against Pavlik. But now, I still favor Kelly... but Williams is a live threat, and if his chin can hold up under Pavlik's power, he's got a very good chance of winning.

 

just to pat my own back......i was amongst a considerable minority here who wasn't dead against a Pavlik-Williams matchup (with the majority not giving tall paul any chance)

 

REED Never Minds when the Ring Card Girls Get Some SHINE....Lamps Usually Reserves his btwn Round HOMAGES to the B.A.D. Telecasts...


REED:hump:

 

REED ISn't soooooo Sure about that...Even a Prime Winky Would've Found Himself PREOCCUPIED w/the All the Shots Being Flung @ Him...Winky DIDN'T Punch Any Harder N his Prime & REED Questions if he had ANYTHING to Offset Williams Workrate....

Williams Beat Winky Because he Matches Up WELL w/Him, NOT Because of the Wink's Age....


REED:hammert:

 

DUPE...

 

Dont fool ya self Brother REED, Williams would NOT have done this to the Wright of 03, the one that beat Mosley the first time. That Wright would have been busting Paul in the face all night with his jab, and landing by far the clear shots, with far more consistancy than he did last night.

Paul is still competitive with a prime Wright, but I see a prime Winky winning a 8-4, or 7-5 type decision. And Ive hardly ever been a Wright fan.

 

No Doubt, Winky wouldn't Find it Hard to NAIL Williams...Paul's Defense is Pretty BAD 2 B Honest...He SACRIFICES Defense for PUNCH OUTPUT...REED Doesn't Know that there's ANYTHING N the Wink's Arsenal that'd have Kept Williams OFF of Him &/or COMPROMISED Williams' Workrate...



REED:hammert:

 

wright at 37, off for almost 2 full years and at 169lbs is hardly the vintage version. williams would always be a hard fight but wright simply couldnt capitolize on all of the openings williams presented him with.

 

agREED 100%

 

That being said, Lampley was still able to score round 1 correctly even though Winky threw less and landed less. Steward and Lederman were swayed by the 80+ missed punches for Williams.

I don't mind hearing punch stats. I never use them to score rounds. For me it makes the pattern of a fight interesting, particularly when a fighter falls behind and decided to change their punch output.

 

Exactly

They have no value as a measure of quality, but they present an interesting survey of what is going on in a fight

 

Paul Williams: Light Heavyweight Champion

IMO Paul is one of the best fighters in the world, and he proved it by trouncing a great fighter in Winky.

Paul needs to take a shot at Kelly as has been discussed here, and then a shot at Light Heavyweight regardless of the results of that meeting with Pavlik, where I think his natural division is, and he will be all that much better as he can eat what he wants to eat and be much stronger physically in there.

Perhaps Paul can be similar to turned around modern day Bob Foster at Light Heavy, minus the devastating punch, as he is very highly skilled in there and in immaculate condition.