Heavy weight division, what a joke!

Lewis did have a psychological advantage.....he knew before Klitschko did, albeit by a narrow margin. And given that he had faced 6'7" Mike Grant at MSG in front of 20+ thousand, he had the more recent big-fight experience with a big man. Of course Grant turned out to be rubbish, but Lewis and co were not to "know" that.

I would say that Vitali Klitschko suffered from short notice more than Lewis, yes.

 

What proof of this is there? I thought the bout was ordered by the WBC?

MTF :dunno:

 

Johnson pulled out, Johnson was a Lewis opponent, Vitali was signed to fight Boswell, so with Lewis looking for an opponent and Vitali already contractually 'bliged to fight Boswell.....I can only assume that Lewis had some advantage in terms of notice. Lewis must have been looking at Klitschko BEFORE Klitschko looked at Lewis.

Either way, give Klitschko 2-3 months to face Lewis....and who knows.

 

They are trained fighters, they should be ready all the time and its not exactly like Vitali didnt know who Lewis was, he probably saw his previous fights loads of times. The end of the day the better boxer won the fight.

 

I want to see the real deal take a shot at Vitali, Audley Harrison. ol

only joking, Audley is Audley as Herbie Hide once said.

 

Lewis was due to fight Klitschko in December of that year. The WBC had ordered it and both parties had agreed in principle. How on earth can you argue that Klitschko was on less notice of a fight with Lewis, the undisputed HW champion and one of the most famous sportsmen on the planet, when he had signed to fight him?

MTF

 

Better boxers dont usually trail on the cards against inferior boxers after 6 completed rounds.

 

Lewis tore up Klit's face using his fists, end of fight, no controversy there. The best version of Lewis would have beaten either Klit anyhow IMO.

 

Wow, you have every excuse in the book. I am certain either Vitali or his corner had some inclination that the cut was serious and a potential fight-stopper.

Seriously dude, Vitali had a huge chunk of meat dangling from his eye. You can't tell me that he didn't understand the urgency.

You are unreal. First with the inexperience and the lack of notice and the training for another opponent and never having been in a big fight. And now he wasn't told that his cut was serious? Please.

Blah blah blah. They met on even terms and Lennox did enough damage with his FIST to get the fight stopped. End of story. Damn.

 

Really? Leonard didn't trail against Hearns? Ali didn't trail against Foreman? Etc, etc, etc.

Not a well thought out response there Irish.

 

exactly

lewis won that fight period

was a good close fight, but saying anyone would have won if it wasn't for the cut his pure speculation.

I'm sure that the heartless giant would have quit like he did in the byrd fight if it went any longer

 

Let's not forget the scale and sheer unplesantness of wound caused 'luckily' by Lewis, a professional boxer and one of the hardest punching HW's ever, punching his opponent in the face:





Of course, this mere flesh wound was a triflling inconvenience and no more than that...

MTF :shit:

 

Assume another lucky punch busted his lip. Amazing how lucky Lennox was that night.

It's a shear example of what can happen if you decided to trade with Lennox, which I give Vitali credit for regardless of the outcome.

 

Yea he can hold his head up high, that loss done more for his career than any of his wins. Lewis was still a step above though and would have found a way to win against any version of Vitali

 

Note my subtle use of the word "USUALLY"

USUALLY motherfuckers read what is written.

Every now and then though, there is someone who don't. opcorn:

 

I can only assume therefore that you rank Rahman and McCall above both brothers. Or, you define "best version of" as "Damn, I will pay attention tonight and not get KTFO":dunno::dunno:

 

You're being facetious, any mediocre HW can get lucky. You might as well give Travis Walker a mythical chance against Wladimir Klitschko based on comparisons of his level and Purrity's. As for your second point, Lewis was the master at integrating offence and defence depending upon the threat offered by the opponent. He would smash Wladimir, and Vitali...well, the book is closed on that one.

 

First highlighted part: that is exactly what people are doing already.

Second highlighted part: not the night he got whipped by McCall and Rahman.

If mediocre fighters can get lucky, then less mediocre fighters need less luck.

I reiterate, and this is something I refuse to budge on: give Vitali 2-3 months prep specifically for Lewis, and, I guarantee it....his percentage chance of winning rises considerably.

Thats 2-3 months of a particular sparring regimen, a particular diet, video reviews, you name it. Consider that the Klitschkos actually GAIN weight during camp....and you may begin to see my point.

 

Perhaps if he signed up to the Manny Pacquaio supplementary programme. At the end of the day, two underprepared (for one another) fighters, one of whom was arguably under-motivated and had already put the cherry on top of a long career, met each other at short notice. Lewis prevailed, end of story. You know damn well, if Vitali had gotten through it, you wouldn't tolerate any excuses about short notice, lack of prep time for opponent etc. on Lewis's end.

 

I wouldn't rank either ahead of Wlad or Vitali, but I will say that each would have a shot at stopping either brother just like they did with Lennox. And with Wlad, the likelihood goes up exponentially.

 

The short notice at Lewis end was that bit longer, coupled by his career being more developed, he was better prepared. I cannot over-stress the importance of having those big fights under your, ahem, belt......Vitali's first major bollox check came that night. Make no mistake about it, he was a better fighter by the end of the 6th round than he had ever been before. And by the time he was thru with Sanders, I think.....had that Vitali, with 2 months notice....fought Lewis then...who knows.

Some fights are like finishing school. You get thru them...and are so much better for it.

 

Okay then. Well....Rahman was probably shot by the time Wlad beat him with one arm tied behind his back, with the other one laced to his side, waltzing Wladtilda, Waltzing Wladtilda, won't you come a Waltzing Wladtilda with me......

 

Ah, the sounds of home,.... here's what's in store for ya...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pufSYjhcPYo&feature=related

 

:atu::atu::laughing::laughing:

but........try this on for size.....a shocking indictment of non-indigenous manhood...any wonder Handsome Hanson is ummbopping her way to Blighted Blighty.....

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=624066

 

Yes, plenty of people are copping the ol' paw batton to the scon down here lately,.. even our boxers aren't immuned,.. former Australian lightheavyweight title challenger,.. Paul Briggs,.. had it comin'.. but no one foresaw he'd be knocked unconcious in this fashion,..



"I lost to Jesus Ruiz, and now this"...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/20/2851411.htm?section=justin

 

Tua would take some shots while on the outside, get tenative, look to set traps or for a big out-of-the-blue shot that never comes. He's fought just 2 rounds in the last 30 months. Not that Tua has much of a chance anyway, but if he's going to get a title shot, he should be more active first.

 

I see all Australian males have that gene for chiseled brutish features, as most Asians are related to Genghis Khan {just like Amir} most Australians are related to a scrote from Scotland or Ireland or Wales...and it shows in their chinny, cut prone fightin' style...thank god for Cocoa Mundine, that he might set the record straight...Men of Western Australia...into the mouth of the Turkish barrel with ye....

 

No. I thought the same thing.

Vitali was unquestionably ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage. I remember my brother and I thinking Lewis was going to get smoked for under-training again.

However, I did think Lewis was getting the better of it just before it was stopped. He'd taken VK's shots and surprisingly didn't look too hurt by them. I guess after his two KO losses, I'd partly bought into the myth that all it took was one hard shot to spark LL.

When they ended the fight, I was disappointed as I felt LL was about to get back on top. I fully admit that I could be incorrect but that's how I felt about the fight at the time.

The most hilarious part of this fight were all the people saying it was an early stoppage. They tried to wipe the blood from VK's eye and nearly took his eyelid with it. It was a gruesome ridiculous cut. Not to mention the huge cut inside his mouth.

I haven't read this thread in it's entirety but I will address two things.

It is true that VK had short notice to prepare for LL but the reverse is ALSO TRUE.

It's also true that LL was in by far the worst shape of his career and still beat VK. That isn't supposed to be a knock on VK. To be quite honest I believe he's currently the best HW in the game over his brother. He just isn't on the same level as LL in my opinion.

 

Truth

 

What did Lewis weigh that night?:crafty: