Not saying one or the other, just throwing this out there. Foreman - For: Stronger opposition during prime years, two time heavyweight champion (20 years apart), longevity. - Against: Brief title reigns, most of his opposition in his "second" career would put Louis' "Bum of the Month" club to shame. Embarassing loss to Jimmy Young prevented him from avenging his previous embarassing loss to Ali. Holmes - For: Second-longest reigning heavyweight champion (behind only Joe Louis), longevity. - Against: Reigned during one of the weakest heavyweight eras in history, avoided (whether his or Don King's doing) some challengers during reign and didn't rematch close/controversial wins (Tim Witherspoon, etc.)
dsimon writes: Wrong Payton. And frankly I expected better of you. You should knw that this guy in this link would easily defeat any fighter in any era. He is one tough MF you heard it here first here he is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKqu9GMqfgU
dsimon writes: I understand but I stand by my choices. You yourself once said regarding Jones "greatness is based on one truly dominating the competition" and I thought this was a better measure than the designation "professional." Especially considering how many professionals these guys beat. And like Roy they didn't just beat the guys they showed that the other guys had no business being in the ring with them. That is quite an achievment considering that if people would pay to see this guy fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKqu9GMqfgU and if he could pass the physical he could be called a professional fighter. ::
dsimon writes: Just to shut you up I am going to give Joey Karate money for an eightball and find Afro Puff and give him a dollar... mking both guys professional fighters.:: ::
holmes was the greater heavyweight than foreman by all standards with an exception of who had the best name on their resume.
And Oscar Bonevena, Jimmy Ellis, Jerry Quarry, all two times each (although Ellis and Quarry were shot or past it by the 2nd time). And Buster Mathis, and George Chuvalo.