HERE AND NOW....RIGHT HERE AND NOW...ABRAHAM BEATS BOTH PAVLIK AND TAYLOR.

Who has abraham beaten? Where are all these different styles? He has never had a spectacular win, he has never looked great.

I think Pavlik is the better fighter overall. He is tough, he is big, he punches like a beast, and he has enough skills too. He would batter smurf boy.

Pavlik beat the same guy that abraham beat, the only difference is it was not a close fight where he got busted up and it went the distance.

The amount of damage that abes inflicted on abraham was minimal, there is no fucking argument at all for abes "ruining" miranda.

The same guy that abraham struggled to beat, pavlik just walked down and DESTROYED. He didn't even care about getting hit.

I just don't see how abraham beats him. He doesn't hit hard enough to really deter pavlik or KO him, and he is not slick enough, fast enough, or enough of a master boxer to beat pavlik.

Your boy Slappy Joe in all likelyhood would beat Pavlik, certainly right now, before Joe gets any worse and before Kelly gets any bigger and better, but stop overrating the smurf.

 

I still remember his fight against eastman, I was not remotely impressed. That was a very close fight and eastman is SHIT and much slower than pavlik. Eastman was shot too.

And he couldn't even stop Shannan Taylor? I mean come on, have you seen welterweight mosley against Taylor? He beat the fuck out of him. "He didn't knock me daaaaan!"

And again with Jantuah, abraham has never impressed me.

I am as sure as sure can be, the fight might not even happen, but if it does pavlik walks abraham down and beats the shit out of him and stops him. Name your bet in £££ and I'll take it.

 

Eastman
Ikeke
Jantuah
Taylor
Miranda

I never said he looked spectacular...though he did bomb Ikeke out of there quite nicely.

Who has Pavlik fought?

Miranda.

Thats it.

Don't confuse a spectacular win with a win.

You're doing the George Foreman thing.

Has anybody seen Pavlik in a live fight beyond the 7th round?

We know Arthur can go there. Can Kelly?

I never said Miranda was ruined by Abraham. I said Miranda got decked in his last fight and, a la Tysons felling in sparring pre-Douglas, that might tell us something right there.

I'm not hyping the Smurf.

I'm just not believing the KP hype either.

 

I have told you guys for years Arthur Abraham is the worst title holder in boxing. For years. Edison Miranda with his overrated Power and total lack of skill nearly killed him. Pavlik took 100 flush shots and he is chinny and walked through him like he was nothing.

 

:bears:

I have been saying the same thing for ages, well not the he is the absolute worst title holder in boxing, but that he sucks. He certainly does. He is not a good title holder, in fact I would probably pick Taylor to beat him.

 

Abraham always does that. He fights DOWN to the level of opposition. Part of the reason he got his jaw broke versus Miranda was because he took the first 3 rounds easy and then got sloppy. Thats his weak point, for sure.

Nobody is going to walk Abraham down and beat the shit out of him.

I'll go £100 Sterling on it with you.

 

When Abraham beat Eastman, Eastman is shot, Abraham barely won etc.

Then Miranda did Eastman, and Miranda was "devestating power, reflexes etc"

Then Abraham beats Miranda, and its "ohh..barely won, quit..busted" etc

Then Pavlik beat Miranda, and its "devestating puncher, next big thing..great fighter...Abraham is shit"

Go figure.

:dunno:

 

My consistency on this issue has been easily followed. I have said and I still maintain that Abraham is the worst title holder in boxing and in the top of one of the worst title holders in boxing history. He gets too little shit because few Americans have seen him. I am a fight junky and I downloaded his fights and he is outright terrible.

 

Dude, read the writing on the wall!! Miranda gave Abraham the fight of his life and got beat the shit out of him in the process. Yet Pavlik fucked Miranda in the ass then spit in his face. Get a clue!!!

 

I did, it read: Styles make fights retard. :dunno: :dunno:

 

You seriously think that the Pavlik/Abraham fight would be any different than Pavlik/Miranda??

 

Are you fucking kidding me? :dunno: :dunno:

 

Im talking about the outcome

 

If he is outright terrible, then what does that make Miranda. How THE FUCK do you LOSE and almost FOUL OUT against a guy that

1. Is outright TERRIBLE

2. Has an outright terribly broken jaw

3. Has 7 outright terrible rounds left to fight

???:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: ???

Miranda must be 2{Outright Terrible}{Outright Terrible} X5

And if Miranda is THAT...what does that make Pavlik???

There's only so many strands of bullshit you can weave with the same piece of thread!

 

Abraham will HAVE TO come to the states to prove that he can beat Taylor and Pavlik.....HERE AND NOW>....

 

AA is terrible. Pavlik would knock him out for sure. Garbage.

 

AA won't come to the states to defend his belt IMO
He can get a timeout in Germany and run for the rest but if he gets his jaw broken here he's getting stopped

 

They have to be.

If Miranda is this killer machine that people had him made out to be, then Arthur Abraham must have D that makes Winkys look decidely porous to survive 7 rounds with Meldrick-Taylor-esque injuries.

EITHERWAYS you can't have Pavlik beat Miranda and build KP up and NOT do the same for AA.

AA's win over Miranda has its own merits.

 

To be expected I suppose from the likes of you........

 

I've seen all of his recent fights. I think he sucks... but Taylor does too so that could be an even money fight. Pavlik handled Miranda like any good middleweight should. AA couldn't do that.

 

Yeah, cos we all know Taylor and Pavlova ain't "fighting in Germany":laughing: :laughing: :flip:

 

Why would they have to go to Germany? :dunno:

 

Well Foreman handled Norton like any good Heavy should have. Ali couldn't do that.:notallthere: :dunno:

Pavlik:

Has shown what he can do against a PUNCHER that fights PAVLIKS fight.

Who's fight was AA fighting for the last 7 rounds of his fight with EM?

 

To get the IBF belt.opcorn:

 

:::: right...

Pavlik most be thinking..go to Germany rip this guy head off..and still have the judges rob me of a decision...or FIGHT JERMAIN TAYLOR for the MIDDLEWEIGHT championship of the world for ALOT, ALOT more MONEY $$$$$$$$$..decisions...decisions...:crafty:


The best Abraham can do is hide out in Germany and wait as see how thing works out against the legit guys at MIddleweight....maybe if he waits long enough he becomes the legit guy at 160 by default....wait for the top guys to X each other out....

 

Ortho - if they fight outside of germany - I'll wager £1000 :)

 

Sure you can. Pavlik fucking destroyed Miranda, without a doubt. I like Abraham but I can't find more than 6 rounds in that fight to give him. He fought with tons of courage and won but sorry, that was nowhere near as impressive as what Pavlik did. :dunno:

 

Bullshit...he fought Miranda long before Pavlik OR Taylor did....and he fought Eastman and Ikeke before Pavlik did. And before Miranda did...he didn't have to take the Miranda fight, did he???

So the notion of Arthur "hiding" from anyone is silly. He fought the bad ass demon from Columbia whilst Kelly Pavlova was doing the "Zerthuche" routine.

 

????????????????????????

Who cares about fucking impressive?

Foreman looked hella good vs Frazier....Ali didn't.

Abraham ain't going to be standing there toe 2 toe.

waste of time even trying with you people....

 

Stop hating on Zertuche. His performance was good as Miranda's.