HERE AND NOW....RIGHT HERE AND NOW...ABRAHAM BEATS BOTH PAVLIK AND TAYLOR.

No, in fact, the best he could be is tied worst with 15 others. Again, I don't hate German/European fighters like most Americans. I am pretty objective. Ottke and Abraham are undefeated ONLY because they are protected. Abraham would lose on a level palying field pretty frequently. He went life and death with Eastman and Mierda two terrible fighters. JT may be a bum but he would castrate Abraham.

 

Ottke is truly a protected bum. He flat out had a losing bout turned into a winning bout based on a clash of heads.

Abraham is also another protected bum. He all but quit in the fight with Miranda but the officials wouldn't let him. In my mind Abraham has 1-2 losses on his record.

Taylor is a dancing queer, but he's not quite on Abraham's or Ottke's bum level.

 

..and as usual ten fights and five years later, when a fighter finally loses, you´ll be around and remind us, that you told us so. :: ::

 

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This is not giving me the proper credit. For years I maintained Joe Calzaghe and Winky Wright were tops in their respective divisions. I was mocked, degraded and finally proven right. I have never picked against Abraham yet because he is fighting a whose WHO THE FUCK IS THAT? Once he steps up, he will wish he was back in Turkey defending himself from deportation than the fighter in the riing with a real man.

 

Not only that, but Pavlik must have some kevlar in his jaw cos I lost count how many times Miranda caught him flush.
Pavlik's a monster.
:bears:

BTW, OrthodoxC...SKY are showing Abraham v Demers this Friday night.

 

He looked pretty damn good against Kingsley Ikeke, and I´d argue Gardner, Jantuah, Eastman, Miranda, Ikeke, Hamdan, Velazco, and this week Demers offer more variety and quality than Miranda, Zertuche and Zuniga.

 

I never even saw the Abraham - Miranda fight or even knew it was them in OC's avatar! :dunno: ::

However, Abraham doesn't say 'Nein' or 'No' when asked by the referee if he wants to fight on at the start of this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WlFAEPrBDw

He shrugs, grunts but doesn't suggest he wants to stop.

 

I said "If all we are going by is common opponents then Pavlik has the edge"

My prediction is a seperate statement entirely.

 

So when is Abraham planning on giving Miranda his deserved rematch?

 

ahh, but Abraham is a world Champion:nono: to compare the two is obsurd. Abraham is still fighting the Demers of the world, yet he holds the belt. Why isn't he fighting Sturm, they are practically fucking neighbors. But instead he fights another fringe contender. Hmmm. Abraham wouldn't be a love child from the calzaghe family would he?:dunno:

 

When the IBF orders it? The question is whether Miranda can still make weight properly.

 

Of course. Who am I to assume AA is man enough to fight Miranda without being ordered to.

 

Hmmmm, why hasn't the IBF ordered it?.......:nono: because they are just as corrupt as any other abc belt if not the worst?

 

....because Sturm denies Abraham´s existence? Politics? Money?

What´s wrong about Demers after a nine months injury lay-off? He´s undefeated and a decent boxer. A better pure boxer than anyone Pavlik has ever fought. :dunno:

 

Never suggested he won´t, it´s just the likely scenario, since Miranda is the mandatory and it is due by September. Don´t know why Abraham wouldn´t fight Miranda again, if he´s 100%. He controlled Miranda easily until he got caught with his mouth open.

It´s ridiculous Abraham is the one getting criticized for his competition or balls, after he became a world champion within two years as a professional and compiled a 22-0 record with solid wins over Miranda, Jantuah, Eastman, Gardner, Ikeke, Velazco and Hamdan.

 

I never compared the two. Pavlik isn't a world title holder. AA is. :nono:

 

I don't hate Abraham at all. I think he's one tough dude and I actually like him as a fighter.

This is one of those situations where a fan of a certain fighter, in this case Abraham comes out of the woodwork after a great win by a fellow MW, Pavlik, and makes me have hate for that fighter by running his mouth and attempting to discredit his very impressive win.

 

Did the link work? :dunno:

 

If you take away the points deficit, Ali and Norton fought on mostly even terms. That fight obviously tool more out of Ali than Norton. And Foreman just destroyed Norton. So based on those premises, I don't see how anybody can come to the conclusion that Ali beats Foreman.

DID YOU KNOW:

Tito Trinidad was a 3-1 OUTSIDER to beat JOPPY

Tito Trinidad was a 3-1 Favourite to beat HOPKINS

Kostya Tszyu was a 2-1 UNDERDOG vs ZAB FREAKIN JUDAH.

 

Shit....Pavlik fights Bronco McKart. Beats him....and somehow they make the Zertuche fight an eliminator for the WBC title- despite the fact that Zertuche was coming off a LOSS to a guy that Pavlik already beat. Zuniga.

NOW....if it was an Eliminator for Pavlik, we can only assume that it was an eliminator for Zertuche too?

AND HOW THE FUCK do you get a crack at a WBC eliminator by LOSING to Zuniga???:dunno:

Shit, even in the light of Spinksgate, Winkygate and Oumagate, Zertuche vs Taylor still sounds WRONG. Even Taylor wouldn't fight Zertuche. Shit, I'd say even Zertuches POPS wouldn't bother to cane him.

Of course, Zertuche wasn't supposed to beat Pavlik to begin with.:nono:

Where the phock is Wally Matthews when you really need him.:dunno: :nono:

 

Too fucking bad I don't have Sky.

Anywhere I can get it for free.

Thanks for the heads up.

PS...If Abraham took flush shots on a broken jaw....:nono:

 

Are you guys still talking about this Abraham bum?

Didn't you guys see the fight with Miranda? He was begging his corner to quit. ::

 

Yes, I have nothing to say. ld:

 

How could he have said anything??

HIS JAW WAS BROKEN!!!

Yet you hear the dumb shits say "I heard Abraham say he wanted to quit":laughing: :laughing:

Yeah, and I saw Jack Kennedy live at the Palladium in 1964.

 

HOW???

With pen and paper?

email??

Written fucking invite??

Subpoena??

:dunno: :dunno:

 

:bears: :bears:

Damn right.

For the record, most people had Tito by devestating KO over old ass Snaggletooth too.:nono:

People never learn.:nono:

 

On the basis of what? A "better" performance over a Common opponent?

Thats not even a fools logic.

Its no logic.

In short, its illogical to the Nth degree.

Its made all the more illogical BY THE TOTAL ABSENCE of any other worthwhile name on Pavliks rep.

 

Sturm couldn't even beat old ass and former 154lb also-ran Castillejo at the first time of asking.

At the second time of asking, he managed a slim points win.

And if you really want to think that AA lost to Eastman, Miranada and Jantuah, then fine, you really are lost.

 

Not since the last Manny Pacquaio thread anyways.