<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> They both can be "state of being". The difference is, pedophilia has a negative effect on people involved, it ruins the life of the child forever. Sex between gays does not harm anybody, instead they both enjoy it. [/b][/quote] sex between a brother and sister doesn't harm anyone either, espcially if they decide not to have kids...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> They both can be "state of being". The difference is, pedophilia has a negative effect on people involved, it ruins the life of the child forever. Sex between gays does not harm anybody, instead they both enjoy it. Now who are you (and the rest of us) to tell people what they can like and what they can't. As long as they don't harm anyone, let them be gays or, as you put it, pervetics [/b][/quote] Hey...I never tell anyone what they can or cannot do. I will never tell a homosexual man that he shouldn't suck a dick. If he wants to do that it's up to him. I'm simply saying that it's disgusting, unacceptable and unnatural as far as I'm concerned. No one should be offended by my opinion. [/b][/quote] disgusting and unnatural are your opinions and thus they are fine, unacceptable is more than an opinion, it is discrimination
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> disgusting and unnatural are your opinions and thus they are fine, unacceptable is more than an opinion, it is discrimination [/b][/quote] It's prejudice, not discrimination. Learn the difference...
Truth is, if I had my way, Gay Marriage/adoption WOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED...so i guess that I am potentially discriminatory. Guilty as charged....
I don't have a problem with homosexuals. What I have a problem with is the radicals who often push their agenda. Homosexuals just need to manage their agenda and image a little better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I don't have a problem with homosexuals. What I have a problem with is the radicals who often push their agenda. Homosexuals just need to manage their agenda and image a little better. [/b][/quote] I could agree with this for the most part. Homosexuals and their supporters seem to seek to give them MORE rights than heterosexuals. Also you have to wonder at their motives at times. Why do they need to be "married". IMO it's just to further rub their abhorent lifestyle in our faces... "I now pronounce you, Man and husband. You may kiss the groom" :YeahRight:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I don't have a problem with homosexuals. What I have a problem with is the radicals who often push their agenda. Homosexuals just need to manage their agenda and image a little better. [/b][/quote] Acceptance, justice and equality are part of my agenda, why should I exclude homosexuals from it? When you believe in that kind of stuff, you believe it is good for everybody, not just for yourself and those who look like you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I don't have a problem with homosexuals. What I have a problem with is the radicals who often push their agenda. Homosexuals just need to manage their agenda and image a little better. [/b][/quote] I could agree with this for the most part. Homosexuals and their supporters seem to seek to give them MORE rights than heterosexuals. Also you have to wonder at their motives at times. Why do they need to be "married". IMO it's just to further rub their abhorent lifestyle in our faces... "I now pronounce you, Man and husband. You may kiss the groom" :YeahRight: [/b][/quote] How being for gay marriage is giving more rights to homosexuals? Do you have other examples of radicals pressing for more rights for homosexuals than heterosexuals?
I could agree with this for the most part. Homosexuals and their supporters seem to seek to give them MORE rights than heterosexuals. Also you have to wonder at their motives at times. Why do they need to be "married". IMO it's just to further rub their abhorent lifestyle in our faces... "I now pronounce you, Man and husband. You may kiss the groom" :YeahRight: [/quote] If approached from most religious viewpoints, homosexuality is wrong. But so are many other things that ARE legal and accepted by most relious people. I don't care about homosexual marriage. I have a problem with the homosexual agenda because it isn't clear, and I despise incrementalism. Also, most of the "activists" that I have seen are far too abrasive for my taste.
Acceptance, justice and equality are part of my agenda, why should I exclude homosexuals from it? When you believe in that kind of stuff, you believe it is good for everybody, not just for yourself and those who look like you. [/quote] Have you ever been to a gay rights march or political rally? I have, and it was chaos. Either homosexuals don't have a real agenda, or they aren't saying what the total agenda is. That would arouse suspicion in any other group. Like it or not, the homosexual agenda is associated with radical politics because homosexual activists (understandably to a degree) have traditionally allied themselves with radicals. How often are radicals accepted by the mainstream?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Acceptance, justice and equality are part of my agenda, why should I exclude homosexuals from it? When you believe in that kind of stuff, you believe it is good for everybody, not just for yourself and those who look like you. [/b][/quote] Why should you exclude Incestuous people from it also?
Have you ever been to a gay rights march or political rally? I have, and it was chaos. Either homosexuals don't have a real agenda, or they aren't saying what the total agenda is. That would arouse suspicion in any other group. Like it or not, the homosexual agenda is associated with radical politics because homosexual activists (understandably to a degree) have traditionally allied themselves with radicals. How often are radicals accepted by the mainstream? [/quote] No, I've never been to a gay rally. I misunderstood what you meant. I'm not fighting for gay rights per se but I'll certainly stick up for them when I feel it's necessary.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Acceptance, justice and equality are part of my agenda, why should I exclude homosexuals from it? When you believe in that kind of stuff, you believe it is good for everybody, not just for yourself and those who look like you. [/b][/quote] Why should you exclude Incestuous people from it also? [/b][/quote] Incest is a crime. And the situation you're using as example is completely ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest is a crime. And the situation you're using as example is completely ridiculous. [/b][/quote] If incest is a crime, why shouldn't homosexuality be one also...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest is a crime. And the situation you're using as example is completely ridiculous. [/b][/quote] If incest is a crime, why shouldn't homosexuality be one also... [/b][/quote] Read the whole thread and the Moral Thread a second time and you may understand my position on that matter. I'm tired of repeating myself.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Buddy, what's your take on serial killers such as Jeffrey Dahmer? I don't think the guy was abused as a child... Do you consider serial murderers as individuals suffering from a certain form of pathology? [/b][/quote] Suffering? You pose a rather difficult question! Plain and simple, he killed all those people. It would be hard for me to use the term "suffering" because he seemed to get enjoyment/satisfaction from his crime. As far as "suffering from a certain form of pathology", I have to think about who evaluated him. I would have to look at what end they were trying to achieve. Was he responsible for the actions? Of course, physically. Was he culpable? That's harder to say. I would have to say that I just don't have enough details about the court proceedings and his mental evaluation. He SEEMED to know what he was doing, and he just didn't care. His case was so severe that it would be hard to believe that it could be treated with any kind of success. Which begs the question: what should be done with an incurable psychopath? Keep him doped up and in a small cell with no hope of contact that might result in injury to another individual? [/b][/quote] Thanks for your answer. Actually, when I asked that question I forgot that you were a sociologist, not a psychiatrist. Anyways, your last paragraph, well, yeah. It sounds like a sensible proposition.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sociopaths like serial killers have different brain activity too. They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that. Right. bs) [/b][/quote] Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned. [/b][/quote] Punk, I'm a sociologist by trade, not a psychologist...but can't sociopathic or even psychopathic behaviour be learned as opposed to being inherent? I'm sure that there might be a natural inclination in that area, but years of abuse must certainly contribute to that type of behaviour. Most violent criminals experienced child abuse at the hands of their guardians when they were in their formative years. [/b][/quote] ::
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sociopaths like serial killers have different brain activity too. They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that. Right. bs) [/b][/quote] Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned. [/b][/quote] Forgive Panchy. He is knowN in the industry as a FUCKING IDIOT. [/b][/quote] I forgive you too, since you had not a say in being born as an imbecile. :wub:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sociopaths like serial killers have different brain activity too. They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that. Right. bs) [/b][/quote] Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned. [/b][/quote] [/b][/quote] Panchy himself said they had different brain activity, he wasnt saying they werent born with it, hes saying thats no excuse for KILLING. They were born sociopaths, but not murderers. I think his point is, while homosexuals may be tweaked in the head, that doesnt excuse them of their actions, morally. [/b][/quote] EXACTLY! Thanks, bro.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest is a crime. And the situation you're using as example is completely ridiculous. [/b][/quote] If incest is a crime, why shouldn't homosexuality be one also... [/b][/quote] :( doh...doh...doh... The question should be "why should this and that BE criminal" not why this and that SHOULD NOT be criminal. Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote] Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes.... If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling?
Not wrong or right. Just a person's preference, which I don't believe is a choice. I didn't choose to be straight and be attracted to women, I just am. Instinctual. I'm not religious at all, so I don't believe in any of that "homosexuality is wrong" stuff. Besides, I enjoy watching two girls dike off.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote] Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes.... If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling? [/b][/quote] you've thought about marrying your own sister?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote] Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes.... If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling? [/b][/quote] you've thought about marrying your own sister? [/b][/quote] Don't have one...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote] You can have the choice of whom you decide to have sex with and get involved with, but not the choice of what you like better or get turned on by more. If homosexuality was the norm, I could choose to be with men, but it wouldn't feel right to me like girls do. It's like my friend's dad said "It's not a choice. How can you choose to not like titties and instead say 'I want a dick up my ass'". If you look at the suicide rates of teenagers, it is disproportionally high for gays. If it's a choice, wouldn't they rather choose to be straight rather than choose to kill themselves?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> If you look at the suicide rates of teenagers, it is disproportionally high for gays. If it's a choice, wouldn't they rather choose to be straight rather than choose to kill themselves? [/b][/quote] You could use the same argument for anyone that is addicted to crack (cocaine, that is). I'm sure that no one WANTS to be addicted, I'm sure that it makes many miserable and even suicidal. It still doesn't make their DRUG ABUSE ways acceptable, and it's still a choice at the end of the day. They can CHOOSE to seek therapy and at least try to reverse their PERVERSION. Same with GAYLORDS....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> btw...Cdogg187 will agree with EVERY ARGUMENT given by a liberal homosexual/homosympathizer, because he is the epitomy of extreme left wing liberal ideology, a man without morals and principles that doesn't believe in rules or order. This same dude, Cdogg187, claims that killing 6 million mosquitoes is AS BAD as what Adolph Hitler did to the jews! :shaneUD12Oscar: [/b][/quote] That's because he's a former drug addict, obviously this years of drug abuse affected his brain.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Leave the dog aside for the moment. Natural means nothing, what does it mean? If we look at other lower form animals, we see homosexuality in certain species. Did they learn it too? ...similarly, its presence in ancient texts including your bible would seem to indicate its been here some time...therefore, it crosses both species and has been here since humankind..unnatural?? As for the dog, I wouldn't compare consensual relations with another human with screwing a lower form animal. [/b][/quote] The point still stands and the question, unanswered. If screwing a dog is seen as unnantural then why isn't screwing another man. btw....donkey's have tried to have intercourse with men before and dogs have humped women. So these things (sex outside of the species) occur in nature also...does that mean that they are NATURAL! [/b][/quote] Are these things NATURAL? Well, they occur NATURALLY, don't they? They are not artificial. That doesn't mean that they are socially ACCEPTABLE.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Race and Sexual preference...are two completely different things and I don't know why everyone insists on equating them. One is a state of being, the other is a life style and a mindset. [/b][/quote] A gay person would argue that they were born gay...and how do you prove that they were not?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> If you look at the suicide rates of teenagers, it is disproportionally high for gays. If it's a choice, wouldn't they rather choose to be straight rather than choose to kill themselves? [/b][/quote] You could use the same argument for anyone that is addicted to crack (cocaine, that is). I'm sure that no one WANTS to be addicted, I'm sure that it makes many miserable and even suicidal. It still doesn't make their DRUG ABUSE ways acceptable, and it's still a choice at the end of the day. They can CHOOSE to seek therapy and at least try to reverse their PERVERSION. Same with GAYLORDS.... [/b][/quote] Smoking crack is different from smoking cock. I don't think any queers shake and tweak out and have to be in a straight jacket saying "I need dick!". Drugs go into your system and make people have mental and physical addictions. I don't think being gay does that. Gay men can choose to be with women, but it wouldn't feel right for them. Just like it wouldn't feel right for straight people to do gay stuff, if homosexuality was the norm.
