<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Are these things NATURAL? Well, they occur NATURALLY, don't they? They are not artificial. That doesn't mean that they are socially ACCEPTABLE. [/b][/quote] Stop being pedantic. "you know of what I speak, Gandalf, a Great Eye, Lidless, Wreathed in flame...."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Buddy, what's your take on serial killers such as Jeffrey Dahmer? I don't think the guy was abused as a child... Do you consider serial murderers as individuals suffering from a certain form of pathology? [/b][/quote] Suffering? You pose a rather difficult question! Plain and simple, he killed all those people. It would be hard for me to use the term "suffering" because he seemed to get enjoyment/satisfaction from his crime. As far as "suffering from a certain form of pathology", I have to think about who evaluated him. I would have to look at what end they were trying to achieve. Was he responsible for the actions? Of course, physically. Was he culpable? That's harder to say. I would have to say that I just don't have enough details about the court proceedings and his mental evaluation. He SEEMED to know what he was doing, and he just didn't care. His case was so severe that it would be hard to believe that it could be treated with any kind of success. Which begs the question: what should be done with an incurable psychopath? Keep him doped up and in a small cell with no hope of contact that might result in injury to another individual? [/b][/quote] Thanks for your answer. Actually, when I asked that question I forgot that you were a sociologist, not a psychiatrist. Anyways, your last paragraph, well, yeah. It sounds like a sensible proposition. [/b][/quote] Actually I agree with the last paragraph completely. The problem is that no situation is perfect. Jeffrey Dahmer was already a convicted pedophile when he murdered the majority of his victims. He escaped PROSECUTION ( ) for a number of years. Rumour has it that a broom handle was jammed up his ass almost to his skull in prison by one of his co-workers. :shaneUD12Oscar:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote] Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes.... If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling? [/b][/quote] you've thought about marrying your own sister? [/b][/quote] Don't have one... [/b][/quote] yes, you do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Race and Sexual preference...are two completely different things and I don't know why everyone insists on equating them. One is a state of being, the other is a life style and a mindset. [/b][/quote] A gay person would argue that they were born gay...and how do you prove that they were not? [/b][/quote] I don't see how either homosexuality or heterosexuality can be proven to be genetic or choice. But I didn't choose to be attracted to women, I just am. I don't see how it can be any different for gays, especially when they have to face discrimination for their preference.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote] Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes.... If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling? [/b][/quote] So now Socrates is arguing against homosexuality but IN FAVOUR of incest. :shaneUD12Oscar: :shaneUD12Oscar:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> A gay person would argue that they were born gay...and how do you prove that they were not? [/b][/quote] When I can prove it or not is irrelevant. A murderer can argue that he was born with the propensity for murder. Doesn't excuse his murderous ways....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote] Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes.... If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling? [/b][/quote] you've thought about marrying your own sister? [/b][/quote] It worked for his parents.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> So now Socrates is arguing against homosexuality but IN FAVOUR of incest. :shaneUD12Oscar: :shaneUD12Oscar: [/b][/quote] Nope! Nice try though. I'm simply showing that anyone who wants to claim that Homosexuality is acceptable would HAVE to say the same about incest between two consenting adults...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote] Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes.... If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling? [/b][/quote] you've thought about marrying your own sister? [/b][/quote] It worked for his parents. [/b][/quote] Are you trying to "get in good" with Phonetap again? It wont work, he's already exposed the Diggy Boo Boo debacle...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Are these things NATURAL? Well, they occur NATURALLY, don't they? They are not artificial. That doesn't mean that they are socially ACCEPTABLE. [/b][/quote] Stop being pedantic. "you know of what I speak, Gandalf, a Great Eye, Lidless, Wreathed in flame...." [/b][/quote] I'm not being pedantic. I'm being semantic. As for unnatural, ORGAN TRANSPLANTS are unnatural. SURGERY is unnatural....but the vast majority of people agree with the occurence these things, so they are not maligned!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> A gay person would argue that they were born gay...and how do you prove that they were not? [/b][/quote] When I can prove it or not is irrelevant. A murderer can argue that he was born with the propensity for murder. Doesn't excuse his murderous ways.... [/b][/quote] Murderers harm people by their very nature (you know....KILLING OTHERS)....homosexuals do not harm other people anymore than heterosexuals do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Murderers harm people by their very nature (you know....KILLING OTHERS)....homosexuals do not harm other people anymore than heterosexuals do. [/b][/quote] Physical Harm...isn't the only factor to determine whether something is wrong or right. If your wife decided to have sex with your dad, it wouldn't "harm" either of them, but I'm sure that you wouldn't think it acceptable!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote] Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes.... If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling? [/b][/quote] you've thought about marrying your own sister? [/b][/quote] It worked for his parents. [/b][/quote] Are you trying to "get in good" with Phonetap again? It wont work, he's already exposed the Diggy Boo Boo debacle... [/b][/quote] Get in good with phonetap??? He burned that bridge....actually he hydrogen bombed it, but just because phonetap and I both realize that YOU play with half a deck doesn't make phonetap and I allies....it just means we both know a closet self-loather like yourself when we see one! Besides, Everlast...you told us all how you lusted after your "cousin" at SecondsOut, but I can't remember if that was before or after you told us about your girlfriend's prostate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Get in good with phonetap??? He burned that bridge....actually he hydrogen bombed it, but just because phonetap and I both realize that YOU play with half a deck doesn't make phonetap and I allies....it just means we both know a closet self-loather like yourself when we see one! Besides, Everlast...you told us all how you lusted after your "cousin" at SecondsOut, but I can't remember if that was before or after you told us about your girlfriend's prostate. [/b][/quote] Everlast said that? How nice. What's that got to do with Socrates? :wacko: btw...you are indeed trying to suck up to phonetap! But he'll clown you once again, unless you send him a belated fathers' day gift. :Oscar after a bodyshot:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Murderers harm people by their very nature (you know....KILLING OTHERS)....homosexuals do not harm other people anymore than heterosexuals do. [/b][/quote] Physical Harm...isn't the only factor to determine whether something is wrong or right. If your wife decided to have sex with your dad, it wouldn't "harm" either of them, but I'm sure that you wouldn't think it acceptable! [/b][/quote] You were the one who brought up murderers, but as far as a person's wife and father, it was quite acceptable in earlier societies, namely Hawaii. Wearing a two-piece bathing suit would have gotten one branded with an iron at one time, but it is now also acceptable. And on the other side of the coin, SLAVERY was socially acceptable but isn't now. LYNCHING MINORITIES was socially acceptable, but it isn't now. In the future, perhaps hate crimes towards gays will be viewed similar to hate crimes towards other ethnicities, including the kind of discrimination and hate propaganda that you are spouting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Get in good with phonetap??? He burned that bridge....actually he hydrogen bombed it, but just because phonetap and I both realize that YOU play with half a deck doesn't make phonetap and I allies....it just means we both know a closet self-loather like yourself when we see one! Besides, Everlast...you told us all how you lusted after your "cousin" at SecondsOut, but I can't remember if that was before or after you told us about your girlfriend's prostate. [/b][/quote] Everlast said that? How nice. What's that got to do with Socrates? :wacko: btw...you are indeed trying to suck up to phonetap! But he'll clown you once again, unless you send him a belated fathers' day gift. :Oscar after a bodyshot: [/b][/quote] Keep reaching, Everlast. The difference is that you feel a need to hide your identity and throw rocks while hiding your hand. Your cowardice is far too transparent to be concealed by any attempts to stir embers between Ken and I. Those embers are doing just fine on their own. Holla back, Rubberpants! Are you still slapping your dick shaft with other guys in a swordfight...or as you called it A COCKFIGHT? Isn't that a little GAY?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote] "God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve. We're the product of evolution. Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] I hope you're being sarcastic. [/b][/quote] Human beings INVENTED religion. IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place. After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Human beings INVENTED religion. IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place. After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Shut the fuck up! You know nothing. You are simply believing the modern day propaganda that has been shoved down your ever receptive throat. I've heard that argument before and it's really a bunch of unfounded crap that people use to justify their own beliefs, actions and need to ignore rules and morality. Weak!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Murderers harm people by their very nature (you know....KILLING OTHERS)....homosexuals do not harm other people anymore than heterosexuals do. [/b][/quote] Physical Harm...isn't the only factor to determine whether something is wrong or right. If your wife decided to have sex with your dad, it wouldn't "harm" either of them, but I'm sure that you wouldn't think it acceptable! [/b][/quote] :Oscar after a bodyshot: :Oscar after a bodyshot: Oh Fuck that was funny.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Human beings INVENTED religion. IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place. After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Shut the fuck up! You know nothing. You are simply believing the modern day propaganda that has been shoved down your ever receptive throat. I've heard that argument before and it's really a bunch of unfounded crap that people use to justify their own beliefs, actions and need to ignore rules and morality. Weak! [/b][/quote] I don't ignore any rules. I pay my taxes. I have a good job. My wife has a good job. We have three kids. They get good grades. None of us have ever gone to jail. We obey the laws of SOCIETY because we want to live in a free society. That's the big FEAR that religion spreads. If you don't believe in GOD ... all hell will break loose. It's crazy. The people who KNOW they have one life, CARE about that life more than people who think THERE'S SOMETHING MORE LATER AFTER YOU DIE. It's true. I know. Dubblechin
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Human beings INVENTED religion. IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place. After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Shut the fuck up! You know nothing. You are simply believing the modern day propaganda that has been shoved down your ever receptive throat. I've heard that argument before and it's really a bunch of unfounded crap that people use to justify their own beliefs, actions and need to ignore rules and morality. Weak! [/b][/quote] I don't ignore any rules. I pay my taxes. I have a good job. My wife has a good job. We have three kids. They get good grades. None of us have ever gone to jail. We obey the laws of SOCIETY because we want to live in a free society. That's the big FEAR that religion spreads. If you don't believe in GOD ... all hell will break loose. It's crazy. The people who KNOW they have one life, CARE about that life more than people who think THERE'S SOMETHING MORE LATER AFTER YOU DIE. It's true. I know. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Were you obeying laws WHEN YOU AND DOBIE CHALLENGED EACHOTHER TO A DUEL TO THE DEATH?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote] "God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve. We're the product of evolution. Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] I hope you're being sarcastic. [/b][/quote] Human beings INVENTED religion. IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place. After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] So basically what you're saying is that all humans should do whatever they want since they won't be held accountable for their actions?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Buddy, what's your take on serial killers such as Jeffrey Dahmer? I don't think the guy was abused as a child... Do you consider serial murderers as individuals suffering from a certain form of pathology? [/b][/quote] Suffering? You pose a rather difficult question! Plain and simple, he killed all those people. It would be hard for me to use the term "suffering" because he seemed to get enjoyment/satisfaction from his crime. As far as "suffering from a certain form of pathology", I have to think about who evaluated him. I would have to look at what end they were trying to achieve. Was he responsible for the actions? Of course, physically. Was he culpable? That's harder to say. I would have to say that I just don't have enough details about the court proceedings and his mental evaluation. He SEEMED to know what he was doing, and he just didn't care. His case was so severe that it would be hard to believe that it could be treated with any kind of success. Which begs the question: what should be done with an incurable psychopath? Keep him doped up and in a small cell with no hope of contact that might result in injury to another individual? [/b][/quote] Thanks for your answer. Actually, when I asked that question I forgot that you were a sociologist, not a psychiatrist. Anyways, your last paragraph, well, yeah. It sounds like a sensible proposition. [/b][/quote] Actually I agree with the last paragraph completely. The problem is that no situation is perfect. Jeffrey Dahmer was already a convicted pedophile when he murdered the majority of his victims. He escaped PROSECUTION ( ) for a number of years. Rumour has it that a broom handle was jammed up his ass almost to his skull in prison by one of his co-workers. :shaneUD12Oscar: [/b][/quote] A broom up his ass? Talk about poetic justice! Even though I would have a hard time making poetry out of that situation! My name was Jeffrie Dhamer! I loved to rape young boys! I got my ass in trouble.... Well, I dunno. You guys finish those delicate limericks. I know there is a pool of talent out here...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Human beings INVENTED religion.  IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place.  After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Shut the fuck up! You know nothing. You are simply believing the modern day propaganda that has been shoved down your ever receptive throat. I've heard that argument before and it's really a bunch of unfounded crap that people use to justify their own beliefs, actions and need to ignore rules and morality. Weak! [/b][/quote] I don't ignore any rules. I pay my taxes. I have a good job. My wife has a good job. We have three kids. They get good grades. None of us have ever gone to jail. We obey the laws of SOCIETY because we want to live in a free society. That's the big FEAR that religion spreads. If you don't believe in GOD ... all hell will break loose. It's crazy. The people who KNOW they have one life, CARE about that life more than people who think THERE'S SOMETHING MORE LATER AFTER YOU DIE. It's true. I know. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Those laws you follow are Judeo Christian laws...If you were in Ancient Rome before Judeo ethics reached the masses, eating lunch while watching two gladiators spar to the death would be totally acceptable....Judeo Christian laws are what you follow and without them you would be a heathen...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Human beings INVENTED religion.  IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place.  After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Shut the fuck up! You know nothing. You are simply believing the modern day propaganda that has been shoved down your ever receptive throat. I've heard that argument before and it's really a bunch of unfounded crap that people use to justify their own beliefs, actions and need to ignore rules and morality. Weak! [/b][/quote] I don't ignore any rules. I pay my taxes. I have a good job. My wife has a good job. We have three kids. They get good grades. None of us have ever gone to jail. We obey the laws of SOCIETY because we want to live in a free society. That's the big FEAR that religion spreads. If you don't believe in GOD ... all hell will break loose. It's crazy. The people who KNOW they have one life, CARE about that life more than people who think THERE'S SOMETHING MORE LATER AFTER YOU DIE. It's true. I know. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Those laws you follow are Judeo Christian laws...If you were in Ancient Rome before Judeo ethics reached the masses, eating lunch while watching two gladiators spar to the death would be totally acceptable....Judeo Christian laws are what you follow and without them you would be a heathen... [/b][/quote] He IS a heathen HE CHALLENGED DOBIE TO A DUEL TO THE DEATH.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Human beings INVENTED religion.  IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place.  After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Shut the fuck up! You know nothing. You are simply believing the modern day propaganda that has been shoved down your ever receptive throat. I've heard that argument before and it's really a bunch of unfounded crap that people use to justify their own beliefs, actions and need to ignore rules and morality. Weak! [/b][/quote] I don't ignore any rules. I pay my taxes. I have a good job. My wife has a good job. We have three kids. They get good grades. None of us have ever gone to jail. We obey the laws of SOCIETY because we want to live in a free society. That's the big FEAR that religion spreads. If you don't believe in GOD ... all hell will break loose. It's crazy. The people who KNOW they have one life, CARE about that life more than people who think THERE'S SOMETHING MORE LATER AFTER YOU DIE. It's true. I know. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] Were you obeying laws WHEN YOU AND DOBIE CHALLENGED EACHOTHER TO A DUEL TO THE DEATH? [/b][/quote] Challenging each other to a duel? How romantic!!! When did this happen?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote] "God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve. We're the product of evolution. Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] I hope you're being sarcastic. [/b][/quote] Human beings INVENTED religion. IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place. After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] So basically what you're saying is that all humans should do whatever they want since they won't be held accountable for their actions? [/b][/quote] Is that how you view life? If there is nobody to prohibit you, you do whatever you want, ignoring all others? So if you were sure that nobody caught you when you tried to steal (and Jesus wasn't looking on you) then there would be nothing wrong with stealing? No. Even if you are not held responsible, you still have your brain left. You should think YOURSELF and understand not to harm people, not depending whether or not god or whoever shall burn your ass after you are dead
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote] "God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve. We're the product of evolution. Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] I hope you're being sarcastic. [/b][/quote] Human beings INVENTED religion. IT's a DEFENSE MECHANISM. That's all it is. We invented it to pacify ourselves because we're among the only creatures on earth with the brain capacity to understand that we are ALL going to die eventually. And death scares us. So humans invented religion to CON ourselves into believing that life continues AFTER we die. No one is going to heaven. No one is going to hell. No one is going to get 70 virgins from Allah or whatever if they crash a plane into the World Trade Center. No one is going to see their grandma and their first puppy when they get to the "pearly gates" ... because there are no pearly gates. When you realize you only have ONE SHOT at life, you don't worry so much about what other people are doing behind closed doors. You also don't sit around and wallow in misery hoping that SOMEDAY, when you DIE, you'll go to a better place. After you realize there is no BETTER place to go to after you die, you tend to want to make the most of your OWN life and TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WITH better. Dubblechin [/b][/quote] So basically what you're saying is that all humans should do whatever they want since they won't be held accountable for their actions? [/b][/quote] So, "basically," I can see you didn't read my other post. :( I follow society's laws, because I want to live in a free society. People who don't believe in an after-life actually tend to try to live the best life they can while they are here. I know that goes against EVERYTHING religious leaders claim would happen if people didn't believe in a GOD, but it's true. Dubblechin
